The end of the Sun's page 3

El Presidente · Jan 21, 2015

The Sun have re-hired Kelvin MacKenzie, The Sun editor at the time of Hillsborough, as a columnist. MacKenzie wax responsible for 'The Truth' headline about the tragedy, and has been unrepentant since then about his editorial stance.

So The Sun has replaced tits with a prize prick.

spring hall convert · Jan 21, 2015

Am I right in hearing that it's back tomorrow?

Amazing trolling from Rupert Murdoch if so! The free publicity...

London Irish · Jan 21, 2015

spring hall convert said:
I follow Stavvers as it goes. She's hardly sticking up for page 3 is she?

And correct me if I'm wrong but the second blog, thought provoking as it is, falls foul of the "haven't directly or indirectly financially benefited from" proviso. It doesn't make that voice any less worthy, just biased.

Explain to me how's she indirectly benefiting ?

And you won't find me saying the following that often - or maybe ever again.

But well played the Sun. Hoaxed a lot of self important people quite beautifully.

Blackadder · Jan 21, 2015

They have just mentioned on Newsnight that (t)it's back!

The Camel · Jan 21, 2015

For that newspaper to treat such an important issue so trivially, they deserve to lose all of their female readership.

nwgull · Jan 21, 2015

ThePompousPaladin said:
I'm a little surprised you haven't come across these numbers, they've been all over the media for some time now.
A quick google has this webby as the top result:

http://www.equalpayportal.co.uk/statistics/

So note the 'pay gap' applies to women in the SAME job, with the SAME experience.

There have been several studies across several sectors where they've got the numbers for new job applicants and the pay they were offered, amongst other things.

The latest data on that webby shows that women are being paid around 10% less for the SAME work.

If that's really true and women are as good as men at their jobs, then surely all commercial businesses would only employ women to increase their profits by 10%.

ThePompousPaladin · Jan 22, 2015

stripeyshark said:
So why remove a choice?

Because you couldn't be trusted to treat women equally.

ThePompousPaladin · Jan 22, 2015

nwgull said:
If that's really true and women are as good as men at their jobs, then surely all commercial businesses would only employ women to increase their profits by 10%.

You sound like you're doubting it's true. I'm not sure whether you're trolling or just had your head in the sand.
Use google and find out the facts for yourself if you won't believe me, but as i said it's been around on the media for years now (maybe you 'tune out' when things like this come on?). It's not as simplistic as i have posted, you will find better arguments to use against it.

But a bit of shocker eh? I know 2015, and still sexism in our society. But by all means, brush it under the carpet and be part of the problem rather than part of the solution. You may find yourself on the morally inferior side of the fence though.

Kalimantan Gull · Jan 22, 2015

Easy 10 said:
something thats been removed because some yoghurt-knitting, tofu-munching sandal-wearing Guardian readers got their undercrackers in a twist over it.

It doesn't feel like The Sun are the kind of institution to back down to the Guardian, I can only assume the paper themselves and many of its readers have decided its an outdated anachronism whose time is up.

BBassic said:
I don't doubt that some of them may have this mindset but I imagine there are far more who realise, and use the fact, that men will pay money to look at body parts they were born with. .

and there are many who realise that men will pay money to **** the body parts they were born with, but I'm sure you're not recommending prositution as a career-path. Point being, everything is on a sliding scale and the dividing line between what is acceptable and what isn't changes as society evolves

Kalimantan Gull · Jan 22, 2015

and its back ... the first report on this is that The Sun wanted the feature to die 'quietly', considering the hullaboo that has erupted they've realised if its not going quietly, its not going....

wellquickwoody · Jan 22, 2015

Hoorah!

nwgull · Jan 22, 2015

ThePompousPaladin said:
You sound like you're doubting it's true. I'm not sure whether you're trolling or just had your head in the sand.
Use google and find out the facts for yourself if you won't believe me, but as i said it's been around on the media for years now (maybe you 'tune out' when things like this come on?). It's not as simplistic as i have posted, you will find better arguments to use against it.

But a bit of shocker eh? I know 2015, and still sexism in our society. But by all means, brush it under the carpet and be part of the problem rather than part of the solution. You may find yourself on the morally inferior side of the fence though.

The solution is for women to negotiate their pay better, and if they thini they're being undervalued then to apply for another job and threaten to leave. That's how it works in the private sector; it's a free market.

beorhthelm · Jan 22, 2015

Kalimantan Gull said:
and its back ... the first report on this is that The Sun wanted the feature to die 'quietly', considering the hullaboo that has erupted they've realised if its not going quietly, its not going....

i quite like that.

beorhthelm · Jan 22, 2015

ThePompousPaladin said:
I'm a little surprised you haven't come across these numbers, they've been all over the media for some time now.
A quick google has this webby as the top result:

http://www.equalpayportal.co.uk/statistics/

So note the 'pay gap' applies to women in the SAME job, with the SAME experience.

your link does not support your argument, in fact it highlights that the statistics do not show like for like jobs for comparison.

Titanic · Jan 22, 2015

Kalimantan Gull said:
and its back ... the first report on this is that The Sun wanted the feature to die 'quietly', considering the hullaboo that has erupted they've realised if its not going quietly, its not going....

and it would probably have gone years ago!

Bold Seagull · Jan 22, 2015

The Sun isn't the slightest bit cynical is it?

As a football fan, I'm surprised anyone buys it after what they did. Boobs or not.

seagullsovergrimsby · Jan 22, 2015

ThePompousPaladin said:
What should we do about women not being treated equally?

Also, i' think you'll find the right wing religious nut jobs are very much into discriminating against women.

They have a symbiotic relationship , the feminists want equality while the right wing religious fundamentalists want to impose their version of Sharia law under the guise of "christian values"

Questions · Jan 22, 2015

It's the Tits what won it.

ThePompousPaladin · Jan 22, 2015

nwgull said:
The solution is for women to negotiate their pay better, and if they thini they're being undervalued then to apply for another job and threaten to leave. That's how it works in the private sector; it's a free market.

But is it a buyers or sellers market?

By the way, did you read that link i posted? There are better arguments against equality within it. You seem to be arguing from a standpoint that's not based in cold hard reality or facts.

Kinky Gerbil · Jan 22, 2015

Agree or disagree with page three.

You have to admit, that is a great ownage

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