Could UKIP win the General Election ?

beorhthelm · Dec 15, 2014

Camicus said:
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/george-osborne-should-use-30bn-4762414 Are you actually safe to be on the Internet?

what i liked best was the fine example from the school of Labour mathematics: we have £106Bn in, £85bn going here, £21bn going there, and somewhere £30bn is hiding. its like a magic bean growing in between the numbers (presumably he means its reserved in the £85Bn to welfare). then we have text book politician deceit: "Part of it could be the balance he’s advised to hold on to – but what’s the rest of it for?" do you not know Prescott? i bet you do, but it wouldn't suit the narrative to say so, if its less than all you'd bloody well have put a number there. then we have the new sound bite, about returning to the 1930s, when nothing of the sort is happening - government consumption is heading that way, but not government budgetary spending.

funny its exactly the amount of the NHS black hole. funnier though that even Balls hasn't found this £30bn for his spending plans.

Westdene Seagull · Dec 15, 2014

KVLT said:
Immigrants don't set wage rates. It's down to greedy penny-pinching bosses if fair wages aren't being paid.

No, the market sets the wage rate. Surplus workers wages go down. Too few workers wages go up. Simple market forces.

The Birdman · Dec 15, 2014

Westdene Seagull said:
No, the market sets the wage rate. Surplus workers wages go down. Too few workers wages go up. Simple market forces.

Company's move out loose jobs it not straightforward no simple answer

brighton fella · Dec 15, 2014

KVLT said:
Immigrants don't set wage rates. It's down to greedy penny-pinching bosses if fair wages aren't being paid.

have you any answer regards the infrastructure as in more hospitals etc etc ??
if we are meant to accommodate for this ridiculous amount of people where do we start building the cities, the flood planes are rising as it is. and when does it all stop ?

Deleted member 22389 · Dec 15, 2014

Today I listened to Ed Millibands speech on immigration. He wants to ban employers from under cutting our own workers, how is that going to work then? I'm confused on this point because you can't stop a self employed person coming from the EU and charging less

On top of that they talk about stopping benefits for two years, well that's not going to work either because the EU will stop that.

Labour have got it wrong because it doesn't address the main point here and that is the open borders with the EU. It's the numbers.
If they think they are going to reduce numbers they are kidding people, these plans will do absolutely nothing.

brighton fella · Dec 15, 2014

bashlsdir said:
Today I listened to Ed Millibands speech on immigration. He wants to ban employers from under cutting our own workers, how is that going to work then? I'm confused on this point because you can't stop a self employed person coming from the EU and charging less

On top of that they talk about stopping benefits for two years, well that's not going to work either because the EU will stop that.

Labour have got it wrong because it doesn't address the main point here and that is the open borders with the EU. It's the numbers.
If they think they are going to reduce numbers they are kidding people, these plans will do absolutely nothing.

it looks good for them if they are seen to be concerned especially in the run up to the election. they think the public are silly.
both labour and tories are guilty of being euro fanatics... labour far more so. remember socialist is just a dressed up word for federalist.

seagullsovergrimsby · Dec 15, 2014

Westdene Seagull said:
Oh dear, simplistic 6th form economics from you then. You need to buy out the shares to bring it back under public ownership - utilities were SOLD not OUTSOURCED ! You really don't get economics do you ?

Attlee had the solution for nationalising industries , the shares are exchanged for treasury bonds. In the case of the railway franchises , once they expire they don't go out for re-tender which would cost nada.

cunning fergus · Dec 15, 2014

Camicus said:
There is a surplus. The duty of government is to look after it's most vulnerable. Renationalise the railway and electricity and you have more than enough cash. We found 150 bn to bail out the banks.[/

You need to catch up with the times...........renationalising anything is impossible.

http://www.politics.co.uk/comment-a...the-eu-us-treaty-which-enforces-privatisation

Camicus · Dec 17, 2014

cunning fergus said:
Camicus said:

There is a surplus. The duty of government is to look after it's most vulnerable. Renationalise the railway and electricity and you have more than enough cash. We found 150 bn to bail out the banks.[/

You need to catch up with the times...........renationalising anything is impossible.

http://www.politics.co.uk/comment-a...the-eu-us-treaty-which-enforces-privatisation

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Nothing is impossible which is why Scottish labour have reintroduced clause V

Dandyman · Dec 17, 2014

Westdene Seagull said:
No, the market sets the wage rate. Surplus workers wages go down. Too few workers wages go up. Simple market forces.

Governments also use unemployment to drive down the real value of wages, fail to prosecute employers who flout minimum wage legislation , deliberately undermine the ability of workers to collectively improve their lot, engineer the transfer of surplus value from wages to profit which is then allowed to vanish into the billions of the UK tax gap, etc, etc.

Westdene Wonder · Dec 17, 2014

I have lost patience with both of the main parties and then supported the Liberals in the hope they would be needed by Labour or Torys, very disapponted with Clegg who did not reign in the Torys.
Given the chance I feel UKIP will ensure that whoever has to invite them to share power will have to pay attention to many proposals that the general public consider important.

Dandyman · Dec 17, 2014

brighton fella said:
it looks good for them if they are seen to be concerned especially in the run up to the election. they think the public are silly.
both labour and tories are guilty of being euro fanatics... labour far more so. remember socialist is just a dressed up word for federalist.

Even by the standards of the average Kipper inbred that is gibberish.

seagullsovergrimsby · Dec 17, 2014

Dandyman said:
Governments also use unemployment to drive down the real value of wages, fail to prosecute employers who flout minimum wage legislation , deliberately undermine the ability of workers to collectively improve their lot, engineer the transfer of surplus value from wages to profit which is then allowed to vanish into the billions of the UK tax gap, etc, etc.

In June HMRC named and shamed plus fined a grand total of 25 employers all around the UK for paying less than the minimum wage after workers had earlier phoned a confidential hotline.

seagullsovergrimsby · Dec 17, 2014

Westdene Wonder said:
I have lost patience with both of the main parties and then supported the Liberals in the hope they would be needed by Labour or Torys, very disapponted with Clegg who did not reign in the Torys.
Given the chance I feel UKIP will ensure that whoever has to invite them to share power will have to pay attention to many proposals that the general public consider important.

Nasty Nick was always going to be Dodgy Dave's BITCH

Camicus · Dec 17, 2014

https://word.office.live.com/wv/Wor...R1cA&title=UKIP+and+disability+claimants.docx

Ooops there goes the disabled vote

burnee54 · Dec 17, 2014

Camicus said:
https://word.office.live.com/wv/Wor...R1cA&title=UKIP+and+disability+claimants.docx

Ooops there goes the disabled vote

I see you are brandishing more out of date policies from an already discredited source.
The main man responsible for that claptrap last year was fired.
If you want to update your knowledge on UKIP policies the most recent info is here
http://www.ukip-brightonandhove.org/#xl_xr_page_policies

You may still dislike UKIP but at least you will be better informed. :kiss:

I have to admit that I know of at least 5 people in my area that claim disability with a so called bad back etc.
Some of these people have never worked a day in their lives (unless it's for a bit of cash on the side) and know how to cheat the system.
It makes me very angry that they are taking money out of the welfare budget that is desperately need by more worthy cases.
How many times have you opened the newspaper recently to read about someone claiming disability and posting a video on Facebook of themselves Limbo dancing or some such nonesense?

Dandyman · Dec 17, 2014

burnee54 said:
I see you are brandishing more out of date policies from an already discredited source.
The main man responsible for that claptrap last year was fired.
If you want to update your knowledge on UKIP policies the most recent info is here
http://www.ukip-brightonandhove.org/#xl_xr_page_policies

You may still dislike UKIP but at least you will be better informed.

Predictable Uber-Tory stuff. Blame foreigners for the failures of capitalism, cut taxes for the well off, slash services for the rest of us and hand over public assets to the usual collection of spivs.

burnee54 · Dec 17, 2014

Dandyman said:
Predictable Uber-Tory stuff. Blame foreigners for the failures of capitalism, cut taxes for the well off, slash services for the rest of us and hand over public assets to the usual collection of spivs.

Well if you're going to make stuff up as you go along, I might as well sign off now. Alternatively, perhaps you could highlight in my post where I have mentioned any of that sh!te.

burnee54 · Dec 17, 2014

Dandyman said:
Predictable Uber-Tory stuff. Blame foreigners for the failures of capitalism (I guess it is our brand of capitalism that is attracting so many to our shores. This can't be blamed on UKIP as they have to date not held the reins of power), cut taxes for the well off (By well off do you mean the people that run our businesses and pay our wages? Good, if they have more money to spend they might up my money.), slash services for the rest of us (It's called Austerity and it will happen whoever you vote in.)and hand over public assets to the usual collection of spivs (So far UKIP are they only party that has opposed TTIP which is the most assiduous misuse of Publicly owned property and services ever conceived.).

Your Move!

Dandyman · Dec 17, 2014

burnee54 said:
Your Move!

The Greens seem fairly clear in their opposition to TTIP http://greenparty.org.uk/news/2014/...a-corporate-power-grab,-that-must-be-stopped/

The argument that UKIP should be supported because the main parties are also useless is the ultimate race to the bottom. Trickle down economics was dismissed by George Bush snr. as voodoo economics in the 1980s and nothing has happened subsequently to disprove the statement.

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