EU to charge Britain more money due to success of economy....

Scoffers · Oct 24, 2014

Maybe it's time for a poll. If there was a referendum on leaving Europe today, which way would you vote?

For me, I'd vote to leave Europe as long as it meant we wouldn't have to take part in the Eurovision Song Contest

Brovion · Oct 24, 2014

Scoffers said:
Maybe it's time for a poll. If there was a referendum on leaving Europe today, which way would you vote?

For me, I'd vote to leave Europe as long as it meant we wouldn't have to take part in the Eurovision Song Contest

TBH that's why I'm not really in favour of referenda as a way of deciding political issues. Far too many people can be swayed by one event in the immediate lead-up and vote on that as opposed to weighing up the issue in its entirety.

matthew · Oct 24, 2014

At least the EU managed to agree that 40% cap on emissions yesterday - they do do some good work. This negative publicity is almost all the work of Rupert Murdoch and the right wing press.

Scoffers · Oct 24, 2014

Brovion said:
TBH that's why I'm not really in favour of referenda as a way of deciding political issues. Far too many people can be swayed by one event in the immediate lead-up and vote on that as opposed to weighing up the issue in its entirety.

I would agree but I guess if the voting in the referendum was high, like in the Scottish referendum, it should even itself out with those being flippant in their voting being swamped with those who take their time and properly consider the relative merits

Scoffers · Oct 24, 2014

matthew said:
At least the EU managed to agree that 40% cap on emissions yesterday - they do do some good work. This negative publicity is almost all the work of Rupert Murdoch and the right wing press.

There is absolutely no reason why the UK, or any other state, cannot reach 40% cap on emissions on their own. Why do they have to pay billions for the privilege of unilateral agreements. The EU system is flawed, and everyone knows it.

Stoo82 · Oct 24, 2014

Herr Tubthumper said:
Pay up you tight arses, we've got a utopia which needs paying for.

We're building our own utopia thanks. Have been doing it for over 1000 years.

If you can't pay for you own, well, that's your fault.

Stoo82 · Oct 24, 2014

It does seem as if the EU wants the UK to leave. They don't seem to be giving any convincing reason for us to stay.

Oh, that's because they are not accountable to us!

carlzeiss · Oct 24, 2014

Yeh , 55million pound a day is fair value for a 40% cap on emmissions agreement .

Taybha · Oct 24, 2014

They can fvuck right off

jakarta · Oct 24, 2014

El Presidente said:
I think it's a disgrace. If I earned more money under this government I would expect to pay less tax, as Gideon rewards the rich and demonises the poor, so why should it be different in the EU?

Because you can vote out a UK Government whose tax regime you disagree with, at what point can you vote out Herr Juncker and his cronies?

wellquickwoody · Oct 24, 2014

brighton fella said:
the EU will not back down over this, if Cameron believes he's in with a chance of negotiating a deal he's a bigger fool than I first anticipated. no f*cking chance

You may, or may not, be correct. But do you think it is OK for us to pay more now, just because we dis better back then?

nicko31 · Oct 24, 2014

Stoo82 said:
We're building our own utopia thanks. Have been doing it for over 1000 years.

If you can't pay for you own, well, that's your fault.

The problem is only those outside the UK can see the wood from the trees, our press is increasingly dominated by right wing anti-EU propaganda.

Cameron wants to make up the rules as he goes along. Special rules from immigration, human rights, special financial concessions

We probably do need a vote on Europe, then we can decide whether we want to be a bunch little Englanders isolated from the rest or not.

On the subject of the 1.7 billion to the EU. To put it in perspective that 5 days of UK deficit, we've got far bigger issues to worry about than Europe!!!

carlzeiss · Oct 24, 2014

Scoffers said:
Maybe it's time for a poll. If there was a referendum on leaving Europe today, which way would you vote?

For me, I'd vote to leave Europe as long as it meant we wouldn't have to take part in the Eurovision Song Contest

Would be happy to stay in Eurovision but would like to leave the EU

Westdene Seagull · Oct 24, 2014

nicko31 said:
The problem is only those outside the UK can see the wood from the trees, our press is increasingly dominated by right wing anti-EU propaganda.

Cameron wants to make up the rules as he goes along. Special rules from immigration, human rights, special financial concessions

We probably do need a vote on Europe, then we can decide whether we want to be a bunch little Englanders isolated from the rest or not.

On the subject of the 1.7 billion to the EU. To put it in perspective that 5 days of UK deficit, we've got far bigger issues to worry about than Europe!!!

And as usual when the pro-EU'ers start to get backed into a corner, the insults start.

glasfryn · Oct 24, 2014

this IS where we find out if Dave has got a backbone, and tells them to go away in short sharp jumps, this really has come at a bad time for him and everyone who is British.

cunning fergus · Oct 24, 2014

El Presidente said:
I think it's a disgrace. If I earned more money under this government I would expect to pay less tax, as Gideon rewards the rich and demonises the poor, so why should it be different in the EU?

Ignoring the back dating to 1995 and estimation of growth on the back of the black economy (like drug dealing and prostitution), this analogy doesn't work does it?

The EU funding budget is effectively fixed in advance, and all the member states have to generate the funding to meet the budget.

Accordingly, if all the states economies were performing poorly it would be those economies that were not peforming as badly as others that would still pick up the greater share. So in the EU world even if you earn't less money you still would pay more tax.

I may be wrong of course?

pastafarian · Oct 24, 2014

Taybha said:
They can fvuck right off

i think that is what Cameron just said.

Not a happy chap

nicko31 · Oct 24, 2014

Skylar said:
So we're being fined £1.7billion because we outperformed other European economies over past decade. ****ing joke.

The way its being portrayed in the UK is we are being fined for rebelling, amazing how certain parts of the media put their own spin on things.

A decade ago anti-Americanism was the in thing, now the knives are turned on Europe

pastafarian · Oct 24, 2014

nicko31 said:
The way its being portrayed in the UK is we are being fined for rebelling, amazing how certain parts of the media put their own spin on things.

A decade ago anti-Americanism was the in thing, now the knives are turned on Europe

really? which media outlets are saying this?

links please.

Pavilionaire · Oct 24, 2014

Why doesn't the government simply do some research about whether or not we are financially better off in Europe? I suspect that the free movement of labour and capital both ways has put this country in a far better economic position than if we had never joined the EEC back in 1973.

The growth of support for UKIP is based purely on a hunch that the EU isn't working out. Most voters have no idea on any of the numbers, they just suspect it's a sh1t deal. No facts about the big picture.

Ironic that Cameron's government has been derided as being an Oxbridge toff's club but UKIP have got plenty of those in their ranks and are led by an ex-banker.

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