Sami's tactics

southstandandy · Sep 14, 2014

It's great pushing the full backs on to be more at attack minded at HOME, but is a risky strategy away as was proven yesterday. Yes the game was entertaining but we were all over the place at the back and to be honest I'm surprised they didn't score more. We need to set up differently away from home than we do at home - just my view.

Arkwright · Sep 14, 2014

We are playing a system without the players who are able to play it. Saturday the player who had the ball the most was Calde but sadly he hasn't got the ability to get round his marker so the ball goes backwards.

Poor Crofts is a hard working midfielder who bursts late into the penalty area and yet he was covering the advancing full backs. Players playing out of position, I get the feeling that the manager is trying to get round pegs into square holes to play a style / system that just doesn't work.

I thought we just looked average at best and have gone backwards on the pitch from last year.

Thunder Bolt · Sep 14, 2014

Commander said:
Impossible to answer, same as every year at this time in the season. Give him time, judge him at the end of the season.

As was done with the Oscar doubters last year, there is just one point difference after 6 games, and we're still in the cup.

LamieRobertson · Sep 14, 2014

Thunder Bolt said:
As was done with the Oscar doubters last year, there is just one point difference after 6 games, and we're still in the cup.

one point behind clubs like Derby Cardiff and Ipswich plus its not as though our defensive performance is being ignored
to quote SH ''In the first half we were not convincing defensively and we made it too easy for Brentford to get behind us and score.''

Arkwright · Sep 14, 2014

LamieRobertson said:
one point behind clubs like Derby Cardiff and Ipswich plus its not as though our defensive performance is being ignored
to quote SH ''In the first half we were not convincing defensively and we made it too easy for Brentford to get behind us and score.''

Surely it was too easy for Brentford to get behind us because of the system SH employs with the full backs on the half way line and just two centre halves and a holding midfielder defending a pacey strike force, sorry it's not the players it's the system which is at fault.

Commander · Sep 14, 2014

Arkwright said:
Surely it was too easy for Brentford to get behind us because of the system SH employs with the full backs on the half way line and just two centre halves and a holding midfielder defending a pacey strike force, sorry it's not the players it's the system which is at fault.

Or more accurately, the players have not adapted to the system well enough yet.

BensGrandad · Sep 14, 2014

Goldstone1976 said:
Yep, I'd agree with this. We also had a disallowed goal, don't forget. A draw would have been fair enough, I guess.

I'm struggling somewhat with the entertainment vs results argument. Of course I want to watch entertaining football. But I also want promotion (I know that many on here don't). To play attractive, attacking football and get results generally requires world class players, which of course we can't afford. By way of example, I wouldn't say that any of Leicester, Burnley or QPR consistently played attractive attacking football last season.

So - on balance, I'd take 1-0 home results and 0-0 away results for every game this season to amass 92 points, thus securing an auto-spot (almost certainly). Next season, we can play the flair stuff that I'd like to see. Sure, we'd come straight back down, but with ~£120m across the four seasons starting next year. If, however, Sami can somehow play with the current system and record 3-2 wins instead of 3-2 losses, I'll be even happier.

At last somebody speaks some sense. Play the way needed to get points on the board the flair and attacking mode will come with player confidence and results the very basic first option has got to be KEEP A CLEAN SHEET.

Seasider78 · Sep 14, 2014

Last season we were too defensive and negative this season so far we have been too attacking and cavalier. If Sami can find the happy medium he will have nailed it

LamieRobertson · Sep 14, 2014

Arkwright said:
Surely it was too easy for Brentford to get behind us because of the system SH employs with the full backs on the half way line and just two centre halves and a holding midfielder defending a pacey strike force, sorry it's not the players it's the system which is at fault.

See reply below your post

LamieRobertson · Sep 14, 2014

BensGrandad said:
At last somebody speaks some sense. Play the way needed to get points on the board the flair and attacking mode will come with player confidence and results the very basic first option has got to be KEEP A CLEAN SHEET.

gosh u make it sound all so simple...best let him know

Rookie · Sep 14, 2014

For me the difference between the Poyet (and Oscar) teams was that the full backs were overlapping a winger and thus either dragging the opposition winger back or creating a two on one against their full back.
At the moment we are asking our full backs to take on both their winger and full back, once the winger does not come back (and why should he knowing he has a player behind him and lots of room to go into should we lose the ball) when it all breaks down we have a winger either running into space or against one of our centre midfielders who is covering. When our centre midfielder is covering it leaves the middle open for the opposition players in the middle to pick out passes because they are not under pressure.
When our full backs are successful in getting a cross in it has to be inch perfect because we don't have that natural big man to get his head on the ball. Add to that the midfield are unable to get forward because they are covering at the back.
Yesterday we didn't seem fussed about keeping the ball either which made it even more difficult.

Obviously early days and I hope it comes good (if nothing else because we need continuity for a couple of seasons), but far from impressed so far.

Dick Knights Mumm · Sep 14, 2014

Rookie said:
but far from impressed so far.

I am impressed with the ambition - it is the execution that I am unsure about.

BensGrandad · Sep 14, 2014

LamieRobertson said:
gosh u make it sound all so simple...best let him know

Football is a very simple game made difficult by EXPERTS.

I hate to quote Arsenal but during George Grahams reign Tony Adams was once quoted as saying if we score 1 goal we know we will get a draw and if we score 2 probably a win. Compare that to Kevin Keegan at Newcastle where they played like us gung ho and attack. Which manager won most honours and trophies,

Brighton Mod · Sep 14, 2014

Finchley Seagull said:
Totally disagree with this. Texeira did little except setup our second goal, although I wouldn't have taken him off personally, while Baldock looked a threat despite getting little service. Taking your comment literally, I'm assuming having a shot blocked on the line by a defender is "nothing". All about opinions I suppose.

Also, I think there was plenty to be optimistic about, while also a fair amount to be concerned about. There were a lot of people moaning last season about how boring it was with 1-0 and 0-0 scorelines under Oscar, even when we reached the play offs with an injury hit squad. Well, Sami is the antidote to that. We'll score and concede a fair amount this season playing this way. I think calling us very poor is harsh.

Its difficult for Sammi to get it right immediately, but surely we don't have to sacrifice our defensive record in order to maybe score some goals. Its a high risk strategy with the players that we have and as has been previously identified on this thread, once teams know how we play we may well be in trouble. Its still early days but I don't see it as simplistic as we either concede more so that we can score more, there should be more thought than that going into this.

AnotherArch · Sep 14, 2014

Also our exposed centre-halves (and the goalie where appropriate) are our only aerial threat on the opposition's goal from set pieces. The next one in line for headers on goal, Crofts, has now changed from last season's 'pop-up' second striker to deputy right back.

Arkwright · Sep 14, 2014

Commander said:
Or more accurately, the players have not adapted to the system well enough yet.

I really don't think this is the case, players are expected to complete roles which are totally alien to them.
You don't have a master baker making soup, just as you don't have a centre of midfield player covering full back.

trueblue · Sep 14, 2014

Without Matt Upson our defence is very unlikely to be as solid as it was for the last two seasons, whatever approach Hyypia takes.

maltaseagull · Sep 14, 2014

midnight_rendezvous said:
Does anyone know if Leverkusen adopted the same approach under Sami?

Only for the last 10 or so games

grummitts gloves · Sep 14, 2014

I'm not too worried as I get the impression Sami is a bit more flexible in his approach compared to Oscar. He's still trying work out what suits our squad the most.

fleet · Sep 14, 2014

LamieRobertson said:
one point behind clubs like Derby Cardiff and Ipswich plus its not as though our defensive performance is being ignored
to quote SH ''In the first half we were not convincing defensively and we made it too easy for Brentford to get behind us and score.''

You would have thought that he would have noticed that before now - like at Swindon for example!

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