Paul Barber Program Notes Today

Phat Baz 68 said:

Since January, we have sold four players - Ashley Barnes, Liam Bridcutt, Leo Ulloa and Will Buckley.
We did not have to sell any of them - and we didn't want to either - but once each of these players made it clear they wanted to leave us to play in the Premier League, it became almost impossible to keep them.

Firstly he is contradicting himself by saying the two parts highlighted in bold and secondly correct me if Im wrong but all these players were under contract.
The part underlined is another contradiction of everything he has written.
It seems to me by saying what he has just said, these players were literally holding the club to ransom.

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Phat Baz 68 said:

Since January, we have sold four players - Ashley Barnes, Liam Bridcutt, Leo Ulloa and Will Buckley.
We did not have to sell any of them - and we didn't want to either - but once each of these players made it clear they wanted to leave us to play in the Premier League, it became almost impossible to keep them.

Firstly he is contradicting himself by saying the two parts highlighted in bold and secondly correct me if Im wrong but all these players were under contract.
The part underlined is another contradiction of everything he has written.
It seems to me by saying what he has just said, these players were literally holding the club to ransom.

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jcdenton08 said:

I respect your posts normally but have no idea what you're getting at with this analogy. Holla was available all pre-season and could have been signed and training with the squad throughout pre-season if we moved quicker. Surely that is preferable to putting him straight into the squad on a few days notice? Ditto Tex.

Either we knew about these players already and deliberately waited until the last minute to buy them (a tactic normally reserved for lowering transfer fees, which is not applicable on a freebie and a loan) OR we were made aware of the players then immediately snapped them up, opening more questions about the scouting network, due diligence in assessing the players prior to signing them, etc...

Either way, it's extremely hard to understand our "policy" this transfer window!

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Commander said:

Not really. He's saying that, financially, we did not need to sell these players. But once a player decides he wants to leave, you're better off selling him and taking the money rather than having an unhappy player. Where's the contradiction?

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Phat Baz 68 said:

I can see your point !
But it boils down to this contracts for players literally are not worth the paper they are written on.
It just means that a club will have to buy the player from another club as opposed to getting them for free.
The actually longevity of the players contractual obligations themselves to the club means diddly squat.
" I wanna play in the Premier League and if you don't sell me to X FC I won't play to my best ability for your club anymore then you'll have to sell me nu nu nu nu nuuuu " (stamps feet throws a hissy fit and storms out of Chairmans office slamming door on way out "

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Phat Baz 68 said:

I can see your point !
But it boils down to this contracts for players literally are not worth the paper they are written on.
It just means that a club will have to buy the player from another club as opposed to getting them for free.
The actually longevity of the players contractual obligations themselves to the club means diddly squat.
" I wanna play in the Premier League and if you don't sell me to X FC I won't play to my best ability for your club anymore then you'll have to sell me nu nu nu nu nuuuu " (stamps feet throws a hissy fit and storms out of Chairmans office slamming door on way out "

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Goldstone Rapper said:

So you won't be buying Paul Barber's Collection of Essays at the end of the season?

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El Presidente said:

Yup, remember Elliott Bennett signing a new contract in November, then putting in a transfer request eight weeks later. Luis Suarez signed a new contract with Liverpool in December 2013, orginally he had a release clause in his contract for £40million, the new contract upped this to £75 million, and off he went a few months later at the higher fee.

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Phat Baz 68 said:

Since January, we have sold four players - Ashley Barnes, Liam Bridcutt, Leo Ulloa and Will Buckley.
We did not have to sell any of them - and we didn't want to either - but once each of these players made it clear they wanted to leave us to play in the Premier League, it became almost impossible to keep them.

Firstly he is contradicting himself by saying the two parts highlighted in bold and secondly correct me if Im wrong but all these players were under contract.
The part underlined is another contradiction of everything he has written.
It seems to me by saying what he has just said, these players were literally holding the club to ransom.[/QUOTE

In the case of Bridcutt and Buckley, they were both very much Poyet's boy's, hence where they ended up. Once Poyet was gone, their day's at the club were numbered, simply because they did not want to be here. In the case of Ulloa, I can't imagine any club at this level turning down a £6m profit over 18mths and in the case of Barnes, he had six mths left on his contract and could have walked away for nothing...I really can't see how the club can be held to task over any of these sales. They all make perfect common sense to me.

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kevtherev said:

In the case of Bridcutt and Buckley, they were both very much Poyet's boy's, hence where they ended up. Once Poyet was gone, their day's at the club were numbered, simply because they did not want to be here. In the case of Ulloa, I can't imagine any club at this level turning down a £6m profit over 18mths and in the case of Barnes, he had six mths left on his contract and could have walked away for nothing...I really can't see how the club can be held to task over any of these sales. They all make perfect common sense to me.

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chaileyjem said:

Yep. Jordan Rhodes signed a new 2 year contract with Blackburn Rovers on July 10th. If reports are to be believed he'll be gone to Hull CIty in a day or so. 7 weeks later.

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El Presidente said:

Hold on Kev, I've agreed with about the last ten posts you have made, starting with your comments about the match yesterday, either you are ill, or I am.

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El Presidente said:

Yup, remember Elliott Bennett signing a new contract in November, then putting in a transfer request eight weeks later. Luis Suarez signed a new contract with Liverpool in December 2013, orginally he had a release clause in his contract for £40million, the new contract upped this to £75 million, and off he went a few months later at the higher fee.

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...in the case of Barnes, he had six mths left on his contract and could have walked away for nothing...I really can't see how the club can be held to task over any of these sales.

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kevtherev said:

In the case of Bridcutt and Buckley, they were both very much Poyet's boy's, hence where they ended up. Once Poyet was gone, their day's at the club were numbered, simply because they did not want to be here. In the case of Ulloa, I can't imagine any club at this level turning down a £6m profit over 18mths and in the case of Barnes, he had six mths left on his contract and could have walked away for nothing...I really can't see how the club can be held to task over any of these sales. They all make perfect common sense to me.

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Phat Baz 68 said:

Should have been boiling water !!!

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Commander said:

jcdenton08 said:

So, do you still think COG is the replacement for Ulloa?

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How about now?

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