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Hampster Gull

New member
Dec 22, 2010
13,462
Scotland, NI and Wales have their own parliaments and assemblies, England does not. None of the English MP's can vote on any issues of these countries.
Do you not think that if the SNP get to influence the seats in the general election, then it could be detrimental to issues in England, and beneficial to issues in Scotland.

They do need to sort that out. If they dont then it will cause more and more friction and will help the SNP disolve the UK
 


Hampster Gull

New member
Dec 22, 2010
13,462
i dont know how familar you are with voting systems, you vote for a candidate or party, not against a candidate or party. the whole point around the SNP is they will have a power beyond the number of MPs, potentially dictating policy for the rest of UK, while being insulated from many of the consequences of thoes policies.

That is the key point. PR would help but we have what we have and the big parties have protected themselves by refusing to move from FPP. They and we will potentially suffer a bit now but lets see, i tend to believe it wont be that bad
 


glasfryn

cleaning up cat sick
Nov 29, 2005
20,261
somewhere in Eastbourne
i dont know how familar you are with voting systems, you vote for a candidate or party, not against a candidate or party. the whole point around the SNP is they will have a power beyond the number of MPs, potentially dictating policy for the rest of UK, while being insulated from many of the consequences of thoes policies.

I did'nt see or hear david campaigning for a yes vote he wanted to keep the union together (he likes that word) think he should be careful what he wishes for eh!
 
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glasfryn

cleaning up cat sick
Nov 29, 2005
20,261
somewhere in Eastbourne
Scotland, NI and Wales have their own parliaments and assemblies, England does not. None of the English MP's can vote on any issues of these countries.
Do you not think that if the SNP get to influence the seats in the general election, then it could be detrimental to issues in England, and beneficial to issues in Scotland.

yes .....but then thats what this government wanted or if they did'nt they should have all been up there campaigning for a yes vote
 




drew

Drew
Oct 3, 2006
23,067
Burgess Hill
Scotland, NI and Wales have their own parliaments and assemblies, England does not. None of the English MP's can vote on any issues of these countries.
Do you not think that if the SNP get to influence the seats in the general election, then it could be detrimental to issues in England, and beneficial to issues in Scotland.

Not quite true. The issues that power has been devolved to Scotland for relate to


  • health.
  • education and training.
  • local government.
  • law, including most aspects of criminal and civil law, the prosecution system and the courts.
  • social work.
  • housing.
  • tourism and economic development.

Things they can't decide for themselves are :-



  • [*=left]benefits and social security
    [*=left]immigration
    [*=left]defence
    [*=left]foreign policy
    [*=left]employment
    [*=left]broadcasting
    [*=left]trade and industry
    [*=left]nuclear energy, oil, coal, gas and electricity
    [*=left]consumer rights
    [*=left]data protection
    [*=left]the Constitution

So, it is very misleading to imply in your post that they decide anything for themselves.
 


Soulman

New member
Oct 22, 2012
10,966
Sompting


Not quite true. The issues that power has been devolved to Scotland for relate to


  • health.
  • education and training.
  • local government.
  • law, including most aspects of criminal and civil law, the prosecution system and the courts.
  • social work.
  • housing.
  • tourism and economic development.

Things they can't decide for themselves are :-



  • [*=left]benefits and social security
    [*=left]immigration
    [*=left]defence
    [*=left]foreign policy
    [*=left]employment
    [*=left]broadcasting
    [*=left]trade and industry
    [*=left]nuclear energy, oil, coal, gas and electricity
    [*=left]consumer rights
    [*=left]data protection
    [*=left]the Constitution

So, it is very misleading to imply in your post that they decide anything for themselves.

We shall see, what happens if they get to pitch in with Labour.
 


glasfryn

cleaning up cat sick
Nov 29, 2005
20,261
somewhere in Eastbourne
We shall see, what happens if they get to pitch in with Labour.

interesting it will be
in fact this election as a whole will be very interesting ........worth stopping up all night for
 




gregbrighton

New member
Aug 10, 2014
2,059
Brighton
I don't believe any of them, Con, Lib or Lab, they have let everyone down, but worst of all it was Labour that ruined it for me. That's one vote they lost from me and millions of other people. Only UKIP will be getting my vote.

Yeh right and you think you are going to get anything different from UKIP made up of former disaffected Tories and a bunch of far-right fanatics. Dream on pal...
 


D

Deleted member 22389

Guest
We shall see, what happens if they get to pitch in with Labour.

Seems to me everyone else will be deciding what happens with our country apart from us if Labour get it. SNP deciding what we do, the EU deciding what we do, and Labour doing what Labour does best, not listening and spending lots of money. Another Labour government will be the tipping point for this country.
 


mona

The Glory Game
Jul 9, 2003
5,470
High up on the South Downs.
interesting it will be
in fact this election as a whole will be very interesting ........worth stopping up all night for
Indeed. It'll be interesting to watch.
Personally I have no time for:
Cameron smug toff
Miliband typical metropolitan liberal with enough cash not to get his hands dirty
Lib Dems the party that wished the Albion dead
SNP English hating nationalists whose socialist generosity is funded by said sassenachs
Greens agree with their ecological stance but seem to be the party of overgrown students
UKIP like the SNP need to appeal to voters' xenophobia
 




beorhthelm

A. Virgo, Football Genius
Jul 21, 2003
35,312
That is the key point. PR would help but we have what we have and the big parties have protected themselves by refusing to move from FPP. They and we will potentially suffer a bit now but lets see, i tend to believe it wont be that bad

a proper system of recalling MPs would address this particular issue, not PR. but the sitting members definatly kicked that one into touch.
 


Steve.S

Well-known member
May 11, 2012
1,833
Hastings
Funny the conservatives got about 36% of the vote at the last election and people moan about other parties having a say with only a few seats. 64% of the population did not vote for a Tory government and yet they have been running this country propped up by the Lib Dems. We need PR and get away from a Tory/ labour governments and let more of the voting public have a voice.
 


glasfryn

cleaning up cat sick
Nov 29, 2005
20,261
somewhere in Eastbourne
Indeed. It'll be interesting to watch.
Personally I have no time for:
Cameron smug toff
Miliband typical metropolitan liberal with enough cash not to get his hands dirty
Lib Dems the party that wished the Albion dead
SNP English hating nationalists whose socialist generosity is funded by said sassenachs
Greens agree with their ecological stance but seem to be the party of overgrown students
UKIP like the SNP need to appeal to voters' xenophobia

monster raving lunitic party then :lolol:
 




beorhthelm

A. Virgo, Football Genius
Jul 21, 2003
35,312


Not quite true. The issues that power has been devolved to Scotland for relate to


  • health.
  • education and training.
  • local government.
  • law, including most aspects of criminal and civil law, the prosecution system and the courts.
  • social work.
  • housing.
  • tourism and economic development.

which shows that on two of the most significant issues at the moment, health and housing, Scots have nothing to complain to Westminister about. they shouldnt really have any input on policy or voting on those devolved issues as they dont affect them.
 


Herr Tubthumper

Well-known member
NSC Patron
Jul 11, 2003
59,580
The Fatherland
Seems to me everyone else will be deciding what happens with our country apart from us if Labour get it. SNP deciding what we do, the EU deciding what we do, and Labour doing what Labour does best, not listening and spending lots of money. Another Labour government will be the tipping point for this country.

Why would anyone vote this in then?
 


Soulman

New member
Oct 22, 2012
10,966
Sompting
Seems to me everyone else will be deciding what happens with our country apart from us if Labour get it. SNP deciding what we do, the EU deciding what we do, and Labour doing what Labour does best, not listening and spending lots of money. Another Labour government will be the tipping point for this country.

Yep, what a sad thought.
 


Herr Tubthumper

Well-known member
NSC Patron
Jul 11, 2003
59,580
The Fatherland
That is the key point. PR would help but we have what we have and the big parties have protected themselves by refusing to move from FPP. They and we will potentially suffer a bit now but lets see, i tend to believe it wont be that bad

Agree. The other advantage of PR is it encourages new parties to form and get up to speed quickly. Plenty of empirical evidence of this from other countries.
 




Herr Tubthumper

Well-known member
NSC Patron
Jul 11, 2003
59,580
The Fatherland
Funny the conservatives got about 36% of the vote at the last election and people moan about other parties having a say with only a few seats. 64% of the population did not vote for a Tory government and yet they have been running this country propped up by the Lib Dems. We need PR and get away from a Tory/ labour governments and let more of the voting public have a voice.

Agree.
 




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