So in the countries that have really appealing jail condition a , their prisons are empty, by your logic?
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Government ends ban on steel-string guitars in prison cells
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So in the countries that have really appealing jail condition a , their prisons are empty, by your logic?
TomandJerry
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Three hot meals a day and rewards like this? It is alot easier to be in a prison these days.
Prisoners shouldn't be given free education courses, how do they deserve them? They had the chance in school to learn instead of breaking the law
fat old seagull
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Perhaps it's because those two are imprisoned the government is permitting prisoners to have steel guitar strings.
Buzzer
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I'm not sure this is a good idea. Have you ever been at a festival, trying to get some sleep at God knows what time of night and there's always some wally with a guitar who thinks it's a really great idea to strum out a very slow, excruciatingly slow version of Wonderwall? This is the reason why I don't camp at festivals. I swear to God that if I had that in a cell next to me I'd be up for murder within a week. For every one Leadbelly there will be a thousand three-chord one-trick ponies.
TomandJerry
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I never said they are empty, but if jail contiditions were much worse, people would think twice about breaking the law
Buzzer
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Actually, I reckon we could be onto something here. I'd happily sponsor Michael Adebolajo and Adebowale's cellmates to play the recorder. It has to be the recorder and they have to play it 23 hours a day and they are only allowed to play '3 Blind Mice' or 'London Bridge is Falling Down'. THere will be suicides within a week. Guaranteed.
Truly, the recorder is an instrument of torture.
Truly, the recorder is an instrument of torture.
Barrel of Fun
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Maybe not everyone grasped that chance when they were younger, for a variety of reasons, and we've progressed as a society to give people a second chance? Or maybe, not everyone in prison is the serial loser you make them out to be. Some people fall by the wayside.
Three hot meals is a dull rhetoric. What's more expensive, a Colchester oyster or a rasher of bacon?
People have a right to redeem themselves. As mentioned, more eloquently by Arthur, they are not necessarily given a guitar when they are first brought in.
I'm staggered that you can't see sense in that the prisoners are pushed to earn privileges. Something, some of them might never have experienced in their adult life.
Not everyone has the stability to make the right choices and not everyone makes the right choices, but they should not be consigned to prison and reoffending.
Plucking obvious cases whereby they are inherently evil is just ridiculous.
Seasider78
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I suggest the OP takes his head out of the daily mail and goes to or speaks to someone who has been in prison. It is far from the holiday camp you would like to believe it is
Buzzer
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The benefits of a reformed convict on the straight and narrow, paying taxes against the cost to us the taxpayers to police them, try them in court and imprison them. I'd say we, the general public, deserve that chance. Don't you?
fat old seagull
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I would imagine you are in delusion with regard to the five star status of H M Prisons, or are they so full now because prisoners are refusing to leave when their time is spent? I can't imagine they're a nice place to be at all. And who really cares whether they have guitars or drum kits come to that.
Barrel of Fun
Abort, retry, fail
The death penalty doesn't deter people from offending, nor does three strikes and out. I'm failing to see how peoplemwould be coerced in to offending as they might receive free guitar lessons.
RexCathedra
Aurea Mediocritas
I have the Solomonic, half-a-baby solution.
Everyone learns to finger-pick.
But it's oakum.
Thank you.
Everyone learns to finger-pick.
But it's oakum.
Thank you.
Arthur
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so I'm going to call it day there I think.
Worried Man Blues
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Hey Joe, what are you doing with that gun in your hand................A couple of inmates practicing chords for 12 hours a day in the next cell they'll be even more hyper.
Beach Hut
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I'm sure [MENTION=38]Beach Hut[/MENTION] will be pleased that all prisoners can now add the ability to perform Billy Bragg's back catalogue to their CVs
Oh yes Billy the ultimate champagne socialist.........
TomandJerry
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"Drug dealers are able to break into jails to do business, and life inside prison is so comfortable that inmates ignore opportunities for them to escape, the union that supports prison officers has claimed.
The Prison Officers Association assistant general secretary, Glyn Travis, said yesterday that prisoners in Britain's toughest institutions would rather take advantage of cheap drugs, TV and breakfast in bed than risk life on the outside.
He also claimed that at one high security prison, dealers and prostitutes entered via ladders to ply their trade; despite this ease of entry and exit, prisoners themselves were content to stay inside.
Overall, he said UK jails were suffering from underfunding that had sent staff morale to an all-time low. "We're trying to manage a system that's just snowballing out of control," said Travis. "Every prison in Britain is under-staffed and over-crowded. Drugs are coming in at a rate that's so dramatic that [they] are actually cheaper than on the outside."
"Prison is no longer a deterrent. It is merely an occupational hazard."
"But Mr Travis said taxpayers would be appalled if they knew how comfortable life was for those jailed for crimes such as rape or murder. "Prisoners receive a wage for being in prison, they receive a bed, a TV in all cells, free telephones, breakfast in bed on many occasions, cash bonuses for good behaviour; and prison staff are forced to deal with them in such a subservient way. It's ridiculous.""
Sounds like a hard life in prisons
The Prison Officers Association assistant general secretary, Glyn Travis, said yesterday that prisoners in Britain's toughest institutions would rather take advantage of cheap drugs, TV and breakfast in bed than risk life on the outside.
He also claimed that at one high security prison, dealers and prostitutes entered via ladders to ply their trade; despite this ease of entry and exit, prisoners themselves were content to stay inside.
Overall, he said UK jails were suffering from underfunding that had sent staff morale to an all-time low. "We're trying to manage a system that's just snowballing out of control," said Travis. "Every prison in Britain is under-staffed and over-crowded. Drugs are coming in at a rate that's so dramatic that [they] are actually cheaper than on the outside."
"Prison is no longer a deterrent. It is merely an occupational hazard."
"But Mr Travis said taxpayers would be appalled if they knew how comfortable life was for those jailed for crimes such as rape or murder. "Prisoners receive a wage for being in prison, they receive a bed, a TV in all cells, free telephones, breakfast in bed on many occasions, cash bonuses for good behaviour; and prison staff are forced to deal with them in such a subservient way. It's ridiculous.""
Sounds like a hard life in prisons
Pevenseagull
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Let them stick to rattling tin mugs against the bars.
Or get Sting to buy them lutes.
Or get Sting to buy them lutes.