Middlesbrough fans banned for life for ripping up Koran

looney · Jul 24, 2014

Barrel of Fun said:
I can't remember the last time it was rammed down my throat.

He took a Koran to a football match and ripped it up to offend. Case closed.

However, I agree with Bushy. If someone did that with the bible, I'm unconvinced he/she would be treated the same.

They wouldn't they got done for racial aggrevated harrasment, whatever that is and at whom. I am sure if they had decent legal representation they could of challenged that.

I myself have no problem in burning holy books of any faith, followed by their preachers and acolytes. These are some of the stupid political crimes the tories should of dumped.

5mins-from-amex · Jul 24, 2014

martyn20 said:
But the majority of Muslims in this country are British?

I wonder what the Muslim population in Britain was in 1939/1945?

Rogero · Jul 24, 2014

My wife gets very upset and frightened when she meets an Arab with the veil on. Should this be allowed in shopping centres?. If I walked in with a mask on,would it be allowed?

Gullflyinghigh · Jul 24, 2014

5mins-from-amex said:
They died to keep Britain BRITISH, I am sure that if they knew that in 70 years time we would be bending over backwards to accommodate Islam then they would question the reasons why they bothered.

I'm pretty sure you can be British and Islamic at the same time.

In fact, I think you can believe in anything you want (I'm partial to the flying spaghetti monster myself) and still be allowed to keep the passport.

Creaky · Jul 24, 2014

5mins-from-amex said:
They died to keep Britain BRITISH, I am sure that if they knew that in 70 years time we would be bending over backwards to accommodate Islam then they would question the reasons why they bothered.

They were actually fighting against a regime that was persecuting a religious minority! They certainly weren't fighting for the right to be able to encourage religious intolerance!

Soulman · Jul 24, 2014

martyn20 said:
But the majority of Muslims in this country are British?

Try watching an England v Pakistan cricket match in England, the Muslims born here will turn out in their droves to support the country they were not born and brought up in.

Uncle Spielberg · Jul 24, 2014

Rogero said:
My wife gets very upset and frightened when she meets an Arab with the veil on. Should this be allowed in shopping centres?. If I walked in with a mask on,would it be allowed?

No but there are different rules for us. Balaclava no, Viel yes.

Green Cross Code Man · Jul 24, 2014

Creaky said:
So much depends on how it is done and the intent behind those actions. If the intent is simply to convey my beliefs that your religion is a load of hocus pocus then that is fine - if however my intention is to display a hatred for your religion with the object of causing you offence or distress or encouraging others to do so then that is wrong as well as being illegal.

It is the same with sexual orientation, gender or race. Expressing your beliefs in respect to any of those is not illegal. Inciting hatred, discriminating or causing offence based on any of them is wrong as well as being illegal.

I partially agree. I would take issue with the statement that it is wrong to cause offence. Quite honestly, in that case, I may not be able to say I disagree with Muslim theology, a Muslim may not be able to disagree with a homosexual lifestyle, a homosexual may not be able to disagree with a Christian viewpoint and so on. I personally do not wish to insult or upset anyone but I passionately believe we should defend the right to free speech. That is certainly one of the most important reasons we needed to beat the Nazis, for freedom of expression. The way things are going, if anyone of whatever religious or lifestyle persuasion becomes offended, the law gets involved and yet another piece of freedom is chipped away simply because we are so frightened of hurting one another's feelings.

martyn20 · Jul 24, 2014

5mins-from-amex said:
I wonder what the Muslim population in Britain was in 1939/1945?

The sacrifice made by Muslims fighting for Britain in the World Wars is being marked on Thursday as the nation remembers on Armistice Day.

More than 3.5million soldiers from the Asian subcontinent fought for Britain in the two conflicts, with tens of thousands killed in action.

The 2.5million men and women who came over to do their bit in World War II became the biggest volunteer force in history.

http://metro.co.uk/2010/11/10/armistice-day-muslims-contribution-must-not-be-forgotten-577418/

5mins-from-amex · Jul 24, 2014

Uncle Spielberg said:
No but there are different rules for us. Balaclava no, veil yes.

You can add hoodies to that too.

Neil · Jul 24, 2014

Who is this Koran bloke?

pastafarian · Jul 24, 2014

Gullflyinghigh said:
In fact, I think you can believe in anything you want (I'm partial to the flying spaghetti monster myself) and still be allowed to keep the passport.

Only partial?

Bloody infidel!

Wrong-Direction · Jul 24, 2014

Neil said:
Who is this Koran bloke?

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SIMMO SAYS · Jul 24, 2014

Creaky said:
They were actually fighting against a regime that was persecuting a religious minority! They certainly weren't fighting for the right to be able to encourage religious intolerance!

We fought the Nazis because they tried to take over Europe---the religion stuff didn't affect our decision to fight them.
Creaky-----once again you worry me :facepalm:

looney · Jul 24, 2014

martyn20 said:
Who is being forced to be Muslim in the UK?

Muslims, via threats and coesion within their communities.

Soulman · Jul 24, 2014

martyn20 said:
http://metro.co.uk/2010/11/10/armistice-day-muslims-contribution-must-not-be-forgotten-577418/

Very clever article, starts off with the big headline "Muslims contribution", and 3.5m etc, then it states in smaller print "More than 3.5million soldiers from the Asian subcontinent"......so included in amongst the "Asians" are presumably the Sikhs, Ghurkha's and many many others.

wellquickwoody · Jul 24, 2014

martyn20 said:
http://metro.co.uk/2010/11/10/armistice-day-muslims-contribution-must-not-be-forgotten-577418/

We have another zealot. Quite a list coming to light now, Israeli, Arabic, Muslim, Jewish etc etc.

Amazing how these people live here, but are so very passionate, and partisan, about what happens elsewhere. Many will be of our indigenous population, some will not be, but they are joined by their intolerance of viewpoints other than their own.

So someone burnt a book, get over it, and stop encouraging others to take offence.

5mins-from-amex · Jul 24, 2014

Soulman said:
Very clever article, starts off with the big headline "Muslims contribution", and 3.5m etc, then it states in smaller print "More than 3.5million soldiers from the Asian subcontinent"......so included in amongst the "Asians" are presumably the Sikhs, Ghurkha's and many many others.

And it still doesn't answer the original Question.

User removed 4 · Jul 24, 2014

Soulman said:
Try watching an England v Pakistan cricket match in England, the Muslims born here will turn out in their droves to support the country they were not born and brought up in.

this is tooting in london , MY hometown , nobody is going to tell me the majority of that lot were not born here.

looney · Jul 24, 2014

One of the problems is a soon as Islam or muslims raises its head the political left turns into a bunch of snivelling bitches prostrating themselves. Maybe they think in their tiny minds this will cancell out all the hate or something, truth is it make matters worse by agitating people and encouraging extremists.

When I speak with Muslims I point out this type and tell them that they are a noisey minority and not the ones they have to deal with for any future in the UK. Most get this straight away.

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