Malaysian airline crash

drew said:

Probably!!!! Who runs RT? It was a station set up by the Kremlin. Fox news, as distasteful as it usually is, is not run by a government.

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Buzzer said:

Yes, but there's not many that get a word named after them to describe their appallingly consistent bias. Pilger isn't just known for it, he's the benchmark. The man could bot write an unbiased piece about Western values if his life depended on it, he's so mired in his own prejudices.

Christopher Hitchens on Pilger: "...here is a word that gets overused and can be misused – namely, anti-American – and it has to be used about him."

And in reference to a piece Pilger wrote about the US having a hand in precipitating the uprising in Ukraine he made a big thing of quoting a bogus interview with a totally made-up Jewish doctor who claimed neo-nazis were behind demonstrations.

http://www.rferl.org/content/guardian-op-ed-quotes-cryptic-odesa-doctor-seen-as-hoax/25385076.html


Pilger is not unbiased. He never has been. He never will be.

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For starters, Andriy Parubiy, the new secretary of Ukraine's security council, was a co-founder of the Neo-Nazi Social-National Party of Ukraine (SNPU), otherwise known as Svoboda. And his deputy, Dmytro Yarosh, is the leader of a party called the Right Sector which, according to historian Timothy Stanley, "flies the old flag of the Ukrainian Nazi collaborators at its rallies."

The highest-ranking right-wing extremist is Deputy Prime Minister Oleksandr Sych, also a member of Svoboda, who believes that women should "lead the kind of lifestyle to avoid the risk of rape, including refraining from drinking alcohol and being in controversial company." This is the philosophy underlying one of his "legal initiatives," according to the Kyiv Post, "to ban all abortions, even for pregnancies that occurred during rape."

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martyn20 said:

Fox News is totally anti-government, they want to impeach the President for godsake, hardly government run!!!?!!!
Replying to Drew but clearly directed at Czechmate

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dingodan said:

I suggested that helping a regime comprised of Neo Nazis could be a threat to the Jewish population of Ukraine, like helping Islamist rebels in Syria has become a threat to the Christian population of Iraq.

I don't want to see people get persecuted. You calling my concerns about Neo Nazis "prejudice" is ill thought out I think.

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Buzzer said:

So...how do you explain the most influential Ukrainian Jewish leaders taking out a full-page advert in the New York Times addressing Putin in person and stating categorically that they had nothing to fear from any of the Ukrainian political parties. They also went out of their way to criticise Putin who, they wrote:

“And we certainly know that our very few nationalists are well-controlled by civil society and the new Ukrainian government — which is more than can be said for the Russian neo-Nazis, who are encouraged by your security services.”

http://www.jta.org/2014/03/27/news-opinion/world/ukrainian-jews-slam-putin-in-full-page-ad-in-new-york-times


These are actual Jews in Ukraine. Not the made-up ones that Pilger quotes.

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Many Ukrainian Jews and several Ukrainian Jewish leaders supported the revolution that ousted President Viktor Yanukovych despite the prominent role played in the uprising by leaders of the ultranationalist Svoboda party. Svoboda’s leader and other prominent party figures have a history of making anti-Semitic statements. Other Ukrainian Jews saw the revolution as dangerous.

Several anti-Semitic attacks occurred during the unrest, including two stabbings in Kiev, some assaults of religious Jews, an act of vandalism at a Crimean synagogue and the attempted torching of another synagogue. Anti-Semitic violence typically is rare in Ukraine.

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dingodan said:

Jewish Telegraphic Agency also reports:



http://www.jta.org/2014/03/26/news-...nian-jews-for-criticizing-putin#ixzz38CXt1jNq

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dingodan said:

Go back and watch some Fox News during the Bush Presidency. They are not "government run", but they are effectively run by the Republican establishment.

Interesting to watch the difference between CNN/MSNBC then and now too...

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Russian Television Under Spotlight After Malaysia Airlines Crash in Ukraine

The crash of Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 exposes the truth about RT, the Russian English-language propaganda outlet............

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daveinprague said:

USA should keep their noses out of this one.

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martyn20 said:

What happens in America is they have elections and the winners become the government, the GOP have not been the government for 6 years now, so Fox News is an opposition run media company currently.
What happens in Russia is they have sham elections due to the fact Putin has outlawed any opposition, RT is a government run media company.

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daveinprague said:

USA should keep their noses out of this one.....theres only two or three countries that have been guilty of this sort of crime against civil airliners, and the USA is one of them.

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dingodan said:

Ukraine has shot down a civilian place in recent times, as has Russia.

Accidents in all cases obviously.

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Psychobilly freakout said:

As has the USA

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daveinprague said:

sorry Martyn... i was reminded of previous cases, so added it...
USA shot down an Iranian airliner..with an ship-borne anti aircraft missile...over Iran..when there wasnt even a war... and not sure they even apologised.

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daveinprague said:

sorry Martyn... i was reminded of previous cases, so added it...
USA shot down an Iranian airliner..with an ship-borne anti aircraft missile...over Iran..when there wasnt even a war... and not sure they even apologised.

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