Do Germany now keep the trophy as it is their third win with the "newer" trophy?

Deleted member 18477 · Jul 14, 2014

As of 2014, 11 winners have been engraved on the base. It is not known whether FIFA will retire the trophy after they run out of space at the bottom; as recent images of the trophy show, there is space left for only three more engravings at the most, which means that should occur in 2030, when the tournament will celebrate its 100th anniversary. FIFA's regulations now state that the trophy, unlike its predecessor, cannot be won outright: the winners of the tournament receive a replica which is gold plated rather than solid gold

Winners

Jules Rimet Trophy

Uruguay – 1930, 1950
Italy – 1934, 1938
West Germany – 1954
Brazil – 1958, 1962, 1970
England – 1966

FIFA World Cup Trophy

Germany – 1974, 1990, 2014
Argentina – 1978, 1986
Italy – 1982, 2006
Brazil – 1994, 2002
France – 1998
Spain – 2010

drew · Jul 14, 2014

dig54 said:
As of 2014, 11 winners have been engraved on the base. It is not known whether FIFA will retire the trophy after they run out of space at the bottom; as recent images of the trophy show, there is space left for only three more engravings at the most, which means that should occur in 2030, when the tournament will celebrate its 100th anniversary. FIFA's regulations now state that the trophy, unlike its predecessor, cannot be won outright: the winners of the tournament receive a replica which is gold plated rather than solid gold

Winners

Jules Rimet Trophy

Uruguay – 1930, 1950
Italy – 1934, 1938
West Germany – 1954
Brazil – 1958, 1962, 1970
England – 1966

FIFA World Cup Trophy

Germany – 1974, 1990, 2014
Argentina – 1978, 1986
Italy – 1982, 2006
Brazil – 1994, 2002
France – 1998
Spain – 2010

The point being made by some is that West Germany won the 74 and 90 world cups and the unified Germany won it this year.

Deleted member 18477 · Jul 14, 2014

drew said:
The point being made by some is that West Germany won the 74 and 90 world cups and the unified Germany won it this year.

Yep and it looks like the records state that Germany FR have won it 3 times and Germany once. Nonetheless, they do not get to keep the trophy. And probably received a replica after 1990? (their 3rd win). Or will receive a replica after this win (3 wins with new trophy) or won't receive a replica until after 2 more wins (3 wins as Germany not Germany FR).

http://www.fifa.com/tournaments/archive/worldcup/

Triggaaar · Jul 14, 2014

drew said:
It's their second win. 1990 and 2014!

1990 was West Germany, so this is their first win.

martyn20 said:
As the old West Germany is now part of the new Germany it should not matter, 3rd win

I don't think it's right that what's now considered one country were able to enter two teams.

martyn20 · Jul 14, 2014

Triggaaar said:
1990 was West Germany, so this is their first win.
I don't think it's right that what's now considered one country were able to enter two teams.

I would have thought any win by the 2 old countries would count towards Germany now so if East Germany had won in 1978 today's would be their 5th win instead of 4th, it's all Germany

Seagull on the wing · Jul 14, 2014

drew said:
I stand corrected, the wall came down after the 1990 final (started before the world cup but not completed until after). Actual unification on 3rd Oct. Well spotted.

Sorry Drew,The wall came down AFTER 1990?...The wall came down....,October 1989,still have a bit of it here. but just being being a bit pedantic this time of the morning.

Return of the Rev · Jul 14, 2014

I heard north korea had won it 6 times in the last 12 years! If anyone should have it its them

Tricky Dicky · Jul 14, 2014

dig54 said:
As of 2014, 11 winners have been engraved on the base. It is not known whether FIFA will retire the trophy after they run out of space at the bottom; as recent images of the trophy show, there is space left for only three more engravings at the most, which means that should occur in 2030, when the tournament will celebrate its 100th anniversary. FIFA's regulations now state that the trophy, unlike its predecessor, cannot be won outright: the winners of the tournament receive a replica which is gold plated rather than solid gold

Winners

Jules Rimet Trophy

Uruguay – 1930, 1950
Italy – 1934, 1938
West Germany – 1954
Brazil – 1958, 1962, 1970
England – 1966

FIFA World Cup Trophy

Germany – 1974, 1990, 2014
Argentina – 1978, 1986
Italy – 1982, 2006
Brazil – 1994, 2002
France – 1998
Spain – 2010

That imples that the actual trophy is solid gold. The way the players were throwing it around last night there is no way it is solid gold, unless they presented a replica.

Deleted member 18477 · Jul 14, 2014

Tricky Dicky said:
That imples that the actual trophy is solid gold. The way the players were throwing it around last night there is no way it is solid gold, unless they presented a replica.

Trophy is solid gold and weighs about 6 kgs. It is hollow though as if it was solid the whole way through it would be a lot heavier. Can't imagine they present a replica at the final...

cloud · Jul 14, 2014

dig54 said:
the winners of the tournament receive a replica which is gold plated rather than solid gold

The trophy will MELT when they have the World Cup in Qatar, so that will be the time to make another one

turienzo's lovechild · Jul 14, 2014

in fifa terms, Germany is a continuation of West Germany (and West Germany was a continuation of the old Germany before that).

Tricky Dicky · Jul 14, 2014

dig54 said:
Trophy is solid gold and weighs about 6 kgs. It is hollow though as if it was solid the whole way through it would be a lot heavier. Can't imagine they present a replica at the final...

They do for the ashes, so it's possible but you would hope unlikely.

Medwayseagull · Jul 14, 2014

cloud said:
The trophy will MELT when they have the World Cup in Qatar, so that will be the time to make another one

If it doesn't melt it will certainly be too hot for the winning captain to pick up and shove above his head.

Hillian1 · Jul 14, 2014

I do find it a touch strange that East Germany actually played West Germany in the 1974 World Cup, and now have claim to 4 titles, 3 of which were won by a team (country) they played against.

Edit:

And West Germany won in 74, so how does that work then?

Bold Seagull · Jul 14, 2014

turienzo's lovechild said:
in fifa terms, Germany is a continuation of West Germany (and West Germany was a continuation of the old Germany before that).

I think in most people's terms that is the case.

jabba · Jul 14, 2014

so what would have happened with a East vs West Germany final?

Triggaaar said:
1990 was West Germany, so this is their first win.
I don't think it's right that what's now considered one country were able to enter two teams.

Bold Seagull · Jul 14, 2014

The Germans have won it 4 times. There is no disputing this.

Triggaaar · Jul 14, 2014

jabba said:
so what would have happened with a East vs West Germany final?

Exactly - you can't have it where a current team wins the final regardless of the result.

Bold Seagull said:
The Germans have won it 4 times. There is no disputing this.

The Europeans have won it 11 times, and we're European, so what do we get?

Bold Seagull · Jul 14, 2014

triggaaar said:
the europeans have won it 11 times, and we're european, so what do we get?

ukip?

Herr Tubthumper · Jul 14, 2014

Bold Seagull said:
The Germans have won it 4 times. There is no disputing this.

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