Mikaeel Kular - Body Found/Mother Detained

surrey jim · Jan 18, 2014

desprateseagull said:
Anyone find it odd that he was found at his AUNT's house, though (as yet) only the MOTHER has reportedly been arrested?

WHOEVER did it, I hope they rot in hell.

Mother was detained not arrested ( not sure of the difference but Sky news made point today to say she was not under arrest)

dadams2k11 · Jan 18, 2014

How anyone can hurt thier own child or any child for the matter is beyond me.

seagullsovergrimsby · Jan 18, 2014

surrey jim said:
Mother was detained not arrested ( not sure of the difference but Sky news made point today to say she was not under arrest)

A line of inquiry has to be ruled in or out ? As Mr Spock once said in Star Trek - " If you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth."

mr sheen · Jan 18, 2014

seagullsovergrimsby said:
A line of inquiry has to be ruled in or out ? As Mr Spock once said in Star Trek - " If you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth."

Wasn't it Sherlock Holmes who said that?

seagullsovergrimsby · Jan 18, 2014

mr sheen said:
Wasn't it Sherlock Holmes who sad that?

Yeah but most NSCers think Sherlock Holmes is a sibling of Barratt Homes :lolol:

beorhthelm · Jan 18, 2014

mistahclarke said:
Hope people's judgement is reserved until the full facts are clear. Terrible tradegy but there is the chance of natural death. It 's easy to jump to conclusion, but no-one in sound mind would kill a child surely?

agree shouldn't jump to conclusions yet, but even if natural they've clearly deceived and lied. no child could have made the journey from home to where found. most adult wouldnt be able to walk that, its 20-25 miles.

seagullsovergrimsby said:
The mobile phone masts collect data , if the phone is switched off it will still be picked up by cellular towers

dont be daft, no power means no signal.

The Fifth Column · Jan 18, 2014

seagullsovergrimsby said:
The mobile phone masts collect data , if the phone is switched off it will still be picked up by cellular towers as you pass through and the signal triangulated to pinpoint an exact location.

That's completely untrue, there is no evidence of this being possible at all. There were some reports a few years back that the American security services had found a way to do this however it involved some kind of malware to be installed on the device which effectively meant it wasn't really switched off. Basically unless you are a spy or terrorist and your phone has been compromised and tampered with if your phone is switched off its off and cannot be tracked.

casbom · Jan 18, 2014

It could be a case of the child was playing up badly one day and she got angry and it hit him to get him to behave and he banged his head on something and died, so accidental overall but if something along these lines then she would be in a bad way and thinking she was going to jail.

I could just be making that up but until we know the facts, no witch hunt eh.

Billy the Fish · Jan 18, 2014

seagullsovergrimsby said:
The mobile phone masts collect data , if the phone is switched off it will still be picked up by cellular towers as you pass through and the signal triangulated to pinpoint an exact location.

Is that definitely true? I know they can do it when your phone is on but if there's no power to the phone then surely there's no communication with the base stations unless the phone has some kind of standby function.

ExmouthExile · Jan 18, 2014

seagullsovergrimsby said:
A line of inquiry has to be ruled in or out ? As Mr Spock once said in Star Trek - " If you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth."

mr sheen said:
Wasn't it Sherlock Holmes who said that?

Maybe Sherlock Holmes watched Star Trek?

Acker79 · Jan 18, 2014

ExmouthExile said:
Maybe Sherlock Holmes watched Star Trek?

Isn't Spock meant to be distantly related to Sherlock Holmes? Or am I confusing him with someone else?

Edit: he is! http://www.tor.com/blogs/2011/05/how-nicholas-meyers-literary-love-saved-star-trek

bravohotelalpha · Jan 18, 2014

Personally, I do not feel it is appropriate for this particular thread to be frivolous

Triggaaar · Jan 18, 2014

Leekbrookgull said:
i would say almost all parents check their kids bedroom before they turn in themselves well we did.

We don't always check.

hybrid_x said:
Also most parents lock the doors from the inside (latch, double lock etc) so toddlers cannot sleepwalk out the house.

Don't do that either (our children wouldn't be able to open the doors though).

Iggle Piggle said:
The very notion that a 3 year old gets up, gets dressed and opens the door without anyone noticing is preposterous.

Well yes, but that itself wouldn't rule out abduction.

mistahclarke said:
Hope people's judgement is reserved until the full facts are clear.

Don't be silly.

martin tyler · Jan 18, 2014

Billy the Fish said:
Is that definitely true? I know they can do it when your phone is on but if there's no power to the phone then surely there's no communication with the base stations unless the phone has some kind of standby function.

This is not true at all. If the phone is off then it is not traceable. The masks triangulate a signal from your phone so to do this your phone must have the power on. I have followed these lines of enquiries for work before.

brightonmark1234 · Jan 18, 2014

shocking news

The Wizard · Jan 18, 2014

dougdeep said:
I'm not at all surprised.

This. It was obvious when they said the boy had not attended play group/nursery for nearly a month.

Billy the Fish said:
Is that definitely true? I know they can do it when your phone is on but if there's no power to the phone then surely there's no communication with the base stations unless the phone has some kind of standby function.

A phone cannot be traced if it is completely switched off or has no battery, fact. Would make police kidnap & murder investigations a lot easier if they could though.

Da Man Clay · Jan 18, 2014

Billy the Fish said:
Is that definitely true? I know they can do it when your phone is on but if there's no power to the phone then surely there's no communication with the base stations unless the phone has some kind of standby function.

Of course it isn't true. Some people have absolutely no idea.

Albumen · Jan 18, 2014

Never understood the fascination in dead children stories.

Hillian1 · Jan 18, 2014

I am watching my 3 year old grand child play with her toys right next to me now, she is the most beautiful, innocent thing in my life.

I am trying to comprehend how anyone could hurt a child and it is upsetting me enough that is have a tear in my eye.

RIP little one.

hybrid_x · Jan 18, 2014

mistahclarke said:
....but no-one in sound mind would kill a child surely?

The other day a soldier was said to be a hero on this board.....by scores of people. 500,000 children died in Iraq.

And in this we have a paradox.

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