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    Labour closed more mines than the Tories!


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    Absolutely stunned when I read this in the paper today and have since checked it out and it is indeed true:

    Under Harold Wilson (Labour), Number of Mines Closed:290

    Under Margaret Thatcher (Conservative), Number of Mines Closed:160


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      Excellent - but as he was Labour that makes it okay.... oh fickle fickle people.
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      Labour closed more mines than the Tories!


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      Absolutely stunned when I read this in the paper today and have since checked it out and it is indeed true:

      Under Harold Wilson (Labour), Number of Mines Closed:290

      Under Margaret Thatcher (Conservative), Number of Mines Closed:160


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      You have to consider how many new pits were opened under each PM for a fuller picture and how many compulsory redundancies.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Goldstone Rapper View Post
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      You have to consider how many new pits were opened under each PM for a fuller picture and how many compulsory redundancies.
      Politics - all about manipulating the stats...... :-)
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      or you could present it like this: Wilson the number of miners where reduced from 600k to 300k. I think it was a similar ratio under Thatcher too, but from a lower start (240 or 120? cant recall)
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      Ultimately, the person who brought the mining industry to its knees was Arthur Scargill. You can blame Thatcher as much as you like but his action in dividing the union and splitting the support was fatal.
      Ego-centric and power crazy, he was his own worst enemy.
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      272 reduction in the Labour governments. (27 per year)

      208 reduction in the Conservative governments. (12 per year)
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      154 reduction under Thatcher (14 per year)
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      Quote Originally Posted by abc View Post
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      Absolutely stunned when I read this in the paper today and have since checked it out and it is indeed true:

      Under Harold Wilson (Labour), Number of Mines Closed:290

      Under Margaret Thatcher (Conservative), Number of Mines Closed:160


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      Needs a breakdown of the figures. How many pits closed because the coal seams were exhausted or had flooding/geological problems ?
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      Another ridiculous myth about Thatcher quelled.

      Like the one about the NHS cuts. Thatcher spent more on the NHS than Labour had done. FACT.

      But the looney lefties just want someone to blame for their own failures.

      Left wing politics never works. It's ideolistic baloney.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Mo Gosfield View Post
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      Ultimately, the person who brought the mining industry to its knees was Arthur Scargill. You can blame Thatcher as much as you like but his action in dividing the union and splitting the support was fatal.
      Ego-centric and power crazy, he was his own worst enemy.
      So nothing to do with Thatcher appointing McGregor as Chairman of the NCB after his hatchet jobs at British Leyland and British Steel ?
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      True story this:

      My father was a coal merchant in the early eighties and the miners strike nearly took his company under. He made inquiries when there was NO coal left to buy or sell to Germany and guess what? They found they could import superior quality coal from the continent for half the price including transportation.

      Hate her as much as you like, the miners shot themselves in the foot.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Hillian1 View Post
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      True story this:

      My father was a coal merchant in the early eighties and the miners strike nearly took his company under. He made inquiries when there was NO coal left to buy or sell to Germany and guess what? They found they could import superior quality coal from the continent for half the price including transportation.

      Hate her as much as you like, the miners shot themselves in the foot.
      Polish coal was imported before and during the strike because it was cheaper due to Polish state subsidies and their miners only earning 15% to 20% of their British counterparts. How do you think the NCB amassed a stockpile before the strike began ?
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      Quote Originally Posted by Mo Gosfield View Post
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      Ultimately, the person who brought the mining industry to its knees was Arthur Scargill. You can blame Thatcher as much as you like but his action in dividing the union and splitting the support was fatal.
      Ego-centric and power crazy, he was his own worst enemy.
      This.

      In the early 1980's I worked in an office with a lady in her mid 60's and at the time there was footage of 'King Arthur' addressing a conference in an animated fashion, she said then it was the closest thing to Hitler at Nuremburg that she'd ever seen.

      WE ALL, either left, right or middle of the road should be eternally grateful for Thatcher for stopping Scargill, because had he won their conflict I dread to think what state this country would be in today.
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      This.

      In the early 1980's I worked in an office with a lady in her mid 60's and at the time there was footage of 'King Arthur' addressing a conference in an animated fashion, she said then it was the closest thing to Hitler at Nuremburg that she'd ever seen.

      WE ALL, either left, right or middle of the road should be eternally grateful for Thatcher for stopping Scargill, because had he won their conflict I dread to think what state this country would be in today.
      Arr yes, Arthur Scargill, the man who lived in a small house and got the job of running a big Union. By the time he had finished he was running a small Union but lived in a big house.

      Apparently though it is only the Tories who are motivated by self interest and are incompetent.
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      Needs a breakdown of the figures. How many pits closed because the coal seams were exhausted or had flooding/geological problems ?
      and the economic viablity maybe?

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      My father was a coal merchant in the early eighties and the miners strike nearly took his company under. He made inquiries when there was NO coal left to buy or sell to Germany and guess what? They found they could import superior quality coal from the continent for half the price including transportation.
      this is essantial what the whole matter was about*. coal mining in UK had been barely to non-economical for decades with a lack of investment in mechanisation of already expensive to run deep cast mines (due to both miners unions resistance and owners luctance to pay for it). coal was cheaper to bring from open cast mines in Australia so im told. (*acknowledge there was a ideological objective to break the miners union, though as a result of decades of problems not for the sake of it).

      a funny aside that relates, recall all the uproar to selling off the government owned forests a couple of years back? far from the ancient woodlands or oak, ash and chestnut etc imagined, the vast majority of the state owned stock is pine. it was planted around the turn of the centruy to provide wood for shoring up the mines, as there was a serious concern we'd run out of wood for the purpose.
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