Anyone still think we're underachieving in terms of money spent to our league position?
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Gus's WARCHEST
- Thread starter Mellotron
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Anyone still think we're underachieving in terms of money spent to our league position?
Cheeky Monkey
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- Jul 17, 2003
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This better not be another thread about our manager's Geordie moobs!!! 
Ernest
Stupid IDIOT
Yes as it doesn't take a lot to skew the average, one team i.e. Cardiff paying shed loads more than anyone else
It's not about how much you've got, it's what you do with it.
Just ask 'King' Kenny Dalglish.
Goldstone Rapper
Rediffusion PlayerofYear
And where is this war chest kept?
The Modfather
New member
What you really need to know is our position in terms of wage bills.
Thunder Bolt
Silly old bat
Gus has already said we're about 13th in terms of playing budget.
Ali_rrr
Well-known member
El Presidente said:
I'm curious. Where do people find this information? Is the "playing budget" a separate entity in the accounts? And even if it is, accounts are private unless the company is public listed, and a year out of date anyway.
Was not Was
Loitering with intent
- Jul 31, 2003
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The median might be more useful than the mean - at least would give a sense of which half of the table we should be in.
Thunder Bolt
Silly old bat
My info has come from 2 or 3 mentions of it in Seagull's Player interviews. Tanno has mentioned it too.
El pres quote comes from Walt Jabsco's thread re: interview with Paul Barber? There's a link to it on that thread.
Exactly. It's all second or third hand.
Thunder Bolt
Silly old bat
I've heard it directly from Gus & Tanno. If you read the other thread, you'll read that El Pres has stated he's contacted Barber directly & the interview confirms what he was told. I don't blame you for your cynicism but it's fairly easy to find out some facts if you want to.
Sorry Yorkie, I'm obviously not making myself clear. I'm genuinely confused as to how Gus & Tanno can be sure they are ranked 13th biggest payers in the division. I'm not arguing that you can find quotes that they said as much.
Playing budget is part of the wage bill, but it is realistic to assume that the playing budget for most clubs is likely to be a broadly constant percentage of the total wage bill, apart from the odd exception (such as Karl Oyston's £11 million payout from Blackpool a season ago).
I get my information from the Deloitte Annual Review of Football Finance, which is nerd heaven.
I don't think they can be sure, and appreciate that figures are indeed a year behind, but the last FULL set of figures for our division were (in millions)
QPR 30
Boro 27
Hull 21
Reading 21
Burnley 19
Norwich 18
Sheffield United 18
Ipswich 18
Swansea 17
Leeds 17
Leicester 17
Forest 17
Bristol City 16
Cardiff 16
Derby 13
Preston 12
Watford 9
Palace 9
Millwall 8
Barnsley 8
Doncaster 8
Scunthorpe 6
Cheers [MENTION=31]El Presidente[/MENTION]. But as you say, those figures are a full year behind. At best it is hardly an exact science, so I fail to see how Gus can say with any certainty that BHA are 13th highest payers. I bet that this year we are MUCH higher.
ooh thanks for that thats really interesting, if not that surprising. Be v interested to see last seasons and even more interested to see this years.
I agree with you entirely, no one knows for certain.
Given that the Amex has greater capacity this season, and on an average gate of 4,000 greater than last season, at average revenue per customer of (say) £25 (remember that VAT has to come out of the gross price) for 25 matches, then we have an extra £2.5 million coming through the gate this season. If we assume cost savings of £1.5 million (there were set up costs moving to Falmer, which should not be repeated) then given we are budgeting for our losses to match those of last season at £8 million, I reckon the wage bill will be £17-18 million this year, which puts us slightly above average, but nothing to suggest we should be nailed on for the play-offs, compared to our competitors.