Robert Eaton Giant Flag 2

Uncle Spielberg · Jan 19, 2010

After the thread on here and that ridiculous article in the Argus can we consider getting a new Giant Flag to be named the Robert Eaton Memorial Flag in time for the first game at Falmer. This would seem the ideal time to parade the new flag and will give time to raise the funds and select the company. We can also look at the logistics of were it will be stored and who will volunteer to help to transport it in due course.

No one was to blame for the first flag going missing and it got 4 years good service.

Last time this was mentioned around £ 600 was pledged. The first flag cost
£ 2000 and I reckon £ 1000 would get a decent new flag.

What do people think ?.

wehatepalace · Jan 19, 2010

I'd certainly chuck a few quid in.

Djmiles · Jan 19, 2010

I'd chip in. Might be worth getting this on the Main Forum?

Robot Chicken · Jan 20, 2010

Same size as before? 64ft x 32ft?
Same design or an updated one?

Couple of manufacturers we could use:
http://www.giantflags.co.uk
http://barmyflags.co.uk

Uncle Spielberg · Jan 20, 2010

Can you make your pledges here please.

I will pitch in with £ 20 to get the ball rolling.

Cadiz Seagull · Jan 21, 2010

Stick me down for 20 as well

Cadiz Seagull · Jan 22, 2010

We need to get this on the main board or its going to disappear, a bit like the first flag

wehatepalace · Jan 22, 2010

I'll chuck a tenner in

Lady Bracknell · Jan 22, 2010

I hate to be a pessimist but I cannot see any reason why another Giant Flag won't be as difficult to look after as the first one! It's not the raising of the money that is the issue it is the sheer logistics of how to manage the thing.

Even assuming the club are prepared to find somewhere to store it at Falmer, who will promise to transport it to away matches? It'll need someone who ALWAYS takes a car big enough to contain it and the crew of six needed to carry it. Now perhaps, if asked nicely, the Supporters Club might agree to take it on their coaches but who will commit themselves to take it down to Conway Street and, on the homeward journey, follow the coaches back there in order to take possession of the flag and get it to Falmer? Who will liaise with the Safety Officers at each away ground in order to get permission to take the flag in? Who will organise the gathering up of enough people (without a flouncy binfest developing) to help carry it? And carry it back to whatever form of transport it is going home in.

Will this person be you Gareth? Because someone has to take overall responsibility for all things flag-related BEFORE taking money off anyone. If there's an assumption that it'll sort itself in the end, it won't. And we'll waste another £1000 on a Flag.

Uncle Spielberg · Jan 23, 2010

All valid points Roz which need to be ticked off. Of course I would like to think I have shown I have enough savvy to be able to organise things over the years and no money has been or will be taken off anyone until the logistics have all been thoroughly looked into.

I am happy to put myself forward to do that if people want me to.

We have over a year to do that. This thread is just a feeler.

:down:

Brovion · Jan 25, 2010

I agree with Roz (and I said something similar when this was first discussed). The LAST thing we need at the moment is people pledging money, that is doing it arse about face. Initially we need a 100% guaranteed, set in stone, written in blood agreement from a group of about twenty people (you'll always need reserves) that they will act as custodians for any future flag. When you've got that, when the infrastructure is in place, then you can start the fund rasing.

We mustn't make the same mistakes we did last time - and currently it looks like we are. I can't be the only person who contributed to the last one but won't contribute to this one until I know it will be done properly. And I mean properly not just promises that it will be 'looked in to'. So people: stop pledging and start voulunteering.

Uncle Spielberg · Jan 25, 2010

All fair points by Roz but the previous flag was a great success and we are only here as a builder decided to not bother looking into the bag and dump it on a landfill site. I know it was hard work getting it too and back from matches so we need people to volunteer for the tasks as Roz stated and a " flag team ".

1. Flag team to cover points raised
2. Decide company and flag/costs
3. Get pledges
4. Order flag

Brovion · Jan 25, 2010

Uncle Spielberg said:
All fair points by Roz but the previous flag was a great success and we are only here as a builder decided to not bother looking into the bag and dump it on a landfill site. I know it was hard work getting it too and back from matches so we need people to volunteer for the tasks as Roz stated and a " flag team ".

1. Flag team to cover points raised
2. Decide company and flag/costs
3. Get pledges
4. Order flag

I thought the bag was found? It was just that the flag was missing. Anyway, apart from that, yes, I agree with your list; my only gripe is you should have started off with 'Any volunteers for the flag team?' rather than jump straight in with 'can you make your pledges here'.

Uncle Spielberg · Jan 25, 2010

Well you've told me haven't you. Consider myself well and truely put in my place. Sorry.

Beach Hut · Jan 25, 2010

£20 - On a more positive note if we can have a permanent home for it at Falmer it will probably last longer.

Also suggest the material in looked at as the previous was far too heavy.

Husty · Jan 25, 2010

will happily pledge £20, its not the cost thats inhibiting though it is the organization that is the problem.

Lord Bracknell · Jan 25, 2010

Uncle Spielberg said:
All fair points by Roz but the previous flag was a great success and we are only here as a builder decided to not bother looking into the bag and dump it on a landfill site.

Sorry ... that's not so.

It was dumped because it was left outside the stewards' hut at Withdean by whoever didn't go to the trouble of finding the keyholder and getting the stewards' hut door opened so that it could be safely returned to its proper, dry storage place.

This might well have been on a Sunday after an away match. Or it could have been after a home game, while the stewards' room was still locked up - because they work long after the fans go home.

Anyway, it stayed outside, wrapped in a not very waterproof bag, for MONTHS - with nobody ever taking the responsibility to get it moved inside - where it would have been safe. It eventually disappeared - at the same time that all the rubble from the Hospitality Suite building works was cleared off the site at Withdean.

It's hardly the whole story to say "a builder decided to not bother looking into the bag". Why should "a builder" inspect every item of junk that is piled up on a building site?

Lord Bracknell · Jan 25, 2010

Beach Hut said:
On a more positive note if we can have a permanent home for it at Falmer it will probably last longer.

ONLY if the custodians of the flag can GUARANTEE that they will be able to call out the keyholder to the storage space when they need to collect it or return it.

How easy will that be? What if the keyholder isn't on site at the time? - say, Sunday morning after a big game at Villa Park? Or Saturday morning when all the club staff have already left for Birmingham?

timbha · Jan 25, 2010

why not keep it permanently erected/hanging at Falmer Stadium (obviously with the club's/safety officer's permission) in a position where it can't be stolen, damaged, etc? A smaller more portable version could be taken to away matches

Uncle Spielberg · Jan 26, 2010

Lord Bracknell said:
Sorry ... that's not so.

It was dumped because it was left outside the stewards' hut at Withdean by whoever didn't go to the trouble of finding the keyholder and getting the stewards' hut door opened so that it could be safely returned to its proper, dry storage place.

This might well have been on a Sunday after an away match. Or it could have been after a home game, while the stewards' room was still locked up - because they work long after the fans go home.

Anyway, it stayed outside, wrapped in a not very waterproof bag, for MONTHS - with nobody ever taking the responsibility to get it moved inside - where it would have been safe. It eventually disappeared - at the same time that all the rubble from the Hospitality Suite building works was cleared off the site at Withdean.

It's hardly the whole story to say "a builder decided to not bother looking into the bag". Why should "a builder" inspect every item of junk that is piled up on a building site?

This is new news to me Ed. I did not know this history. Anyway this thread is degenerating into a lot of bitching. We can make it happen if we want to but if its too much hassle which seems the jist of it lets just forget it and move on. Thats the long and short of it basically.

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