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This result has left United in a seriously bad position. So along with Rooney and RVP out Vidic now misses 3 games. The retention of the Premiership is beyond them, out of the FA Cup, the nightmare scenario of meeting a rampant Man City in the final of the League Cup and only the thought of two...

Not sure if this sort of thing can be reviewed at the end of the game ? does seem wrong if he gets away with it.

Don't they need that change for their Tube fares home ?

OOOOH ! it just got better !

Scholes and Giggs are effectively finished now. It is time for some nasty medicine for United for a while.

It does look very bad for Mr. Moyes, looks like they need to win The League Cup to qualify for European football via the Europa Cup, but will Man City have pity ? I think not !

Can this get any funnier ?

I wouldn't write Man Utd off, they will bounce back and win a cup next season, probably the Europa though.

How times change ! Back then they were only to pleased to dump the Cup but today, what with the way they are playing, even winning the much maligned League Cup would be an achievement for Moyes. I expect Red Café will be a little down about today's result but if this sort of thing keeps getting...

I remember the golden days of Liverpool and their dominance for a while. Their decline was slow and steady until suddenly, they weren't there ? After the golden era of Paisley/Fagan/Dalglish every subsequent manager presided over a decline. Apart from the odd FA Cup and the amazing Champions...

Indeed, If Moyes had moved fast before Barkley had a run of games he could have got him cheap as chips. He paid over the odds for Fellaini and now if he wants Barkley his price will have gone through the roof.

Could be several knock ons. Don't forget they are very big in Asia generating lots of cash in shirt sales ( Red is a lucky colour in China ) and streaming revenue. Maybe there might be a resurgence in Chinese interest in Liverpool if Suarez keeps banging them in and Rogers can add a little more...

One of the posts on the Spurs thread on red Café is accusing Lloris of trying too hard against United. how unfair is that ?

Seems they are quite comfortable using the C word up on their forums, very light or non existent moderating.

Just had a look on their forums and they are like Rats fighting in a barrel, blame being dished out everywhere. Moaning about Moyes, tactics,Players, the ref ,Fergie, the Glazers and the transfer market, sounds like the only thing working well at Old Trafford is the catering.