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Hope that's not saying "You've done well to convince 5 mugs, lets see if you can convince 10 more". I haven't shared my link yet, while I wait and see how this goes and for a chance to do a bit more research - quite apart from the fact that Smirko hasn't approved me yet!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=awD1gtpdWIA

Thanks, Smirko, I've used your link as you were kind enough to share it.