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I think there's a difference which goes someway to explaining Moeen's lack of effectiveness. When the Indians are over here, they know a seamer's going to bowl one that has their number on it, therefore, they go after the spinner knowing that is probably their best bet and often get themselves...

With the advent of 20/20 and the ability of many batsman to hit the ball in a large variety of different areas am I being naive to think that there is still the ability to have a Ashley Giles type, who whilst maybe not being the biggest wicket taking threat, without a bit of help, is capable of...

Haha. Rashid has been a bit loose so far and Mooen Ali's bowled a decent tight spell. Reckon Moeen might have had a read of this thread. :lolol:

If (and it's a big if granted) Rashid continues to be the pick of the English spinners in these last two tests, I think it would be exceedingly harsh to drop him. Perhaps he could help his case with some runs as well in the meantime. Bell didn't pull up any trees last summer. I'd imagine...

Here's his year 0* 10* v South Africa Cape Town 2 Jan 2016 Test # 2197 19 DNB v South Africa Johannesburg 14 Jan 2016 Test # 2199 61 10* v South Africa Centurion 22 Jan 2016 Test # 2200 0 - v Sri Lanka Leeds 19 May 2016 Test # 2203 155* DNB v Sri Lanka Chester-le-Street 27 May 2016...

Yeah, look, it's quite a nice problem to have! Just that with Bairstow, Stokes and Woakes looking permanent fixtures at the moment who all get in the team on the basis of one or both of their skills, I just don't think the team needs another all rounder unless that all rounder is good enough to...

John Edrich.

Of course. And clearly it may be premature but it appears we may have just found two. I just think Ali is playing two roles not quite well enough at the moment, I think he is more likely to make it as a Test Match 5, good occasional bowler than he is as a Test Match 8 and frontline spinner. If...

Oh. Of course. Pre- "reintegration," right?

I like Ali as a player a lot but he's had a lot of time now to learn on the job and he hasn't really got any better or been successful in defining his role. I'd like to see him bat 5 and be a more than competent occasional(ish) 2nd spinning option because I don't think he's ever going to be...

Is it Geoff Boycott?

No.

So, after 35 tests, I'm now sure Moeen Ali isn't good enough to make this side as either batsman or bowler. If Rashid continues to outbowl him in this series, I'd like to see England try and find a proper batsman at number 5, Stokes 6, Bairstow 7, Woakes 8, Rashid 9 for series where only one...

Here we go.

So with Hameed & Jennings looking the part on this tour, are we more blessed with batsman than we think? Ideally we need one more to bat 5. Nick Gubbins scored a lot of runs in Div 1 last year.