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Ok, with the 3 Benelux countries too,..... its actually legally binding for joiners now, us and the Micks opt out of course.

France and Germany did......everyone else had to simply follow the masterplan....

Signed up yes, but do you really think there is a joyous consensus now that they are seeing some of the consequences manifest themselves?...... you need to look a bit deeper, there is discontent across many of the 26 at the large influx of itinerant workers from some of the less prosperous...

Why don't we all revisit the thread in a year.....we should all then have a clearer picture, for better or worse....the influx and its potential consequences were never going to start dead on new years eve were they?

I think you need North Korea.... turn left at Vietnam, you cant miss it.

Trouble with the former is that ends up with a small % of the population driving the economy and producing the benefits that will be 'gobbled' up by those who sit idly by with their hand out......the latter however encourages the majority to get out there and contribute.....the key challenge is...

I spend a lot of time in Bielefeld, those locals, even in the relative 'leafyness' of their local environs, express huge concerns about the influx and its effect on their culture. Same applies to people I know on Detmold too. I got the impression that their voting trends were based on the...

Perhaps you aren't looking in the right places.... http://m.spiegel.de/international/germany/a-881409.html#spRedirectedFrom=www&referrrer=https://www.google.co.uk

How well informed you are, I shall be sure to tell my two journo friends where they are going wrong.

Where the fook do any of us get our stats then?....news, newspapers, internet....I fail to see the purpose of your comment.

They have indeed, close on 4 million already across those 19 countries, most in Spain and Italy because of the language similarities..... however, as we all know, Spain in particular has catestrophic unemployment, there will be a steady flow of those disenchanted in those countries which of...

Decimated or not, by the current govt or previous ones, there is only so much the system can take....if you suddenly think that health, education and welfare systems in this country have only been under pressure since the 2008 economic crash forced budgets to be trimmed, then I suggest you think...

Nice and selective as usual HT..... try putting the whole story together, include all the factors you lot have thrown into the debate......then come up with a joined up view of the consequences or otherwise of fairly largescale immigration.....this wave or any other wave....