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It really is a mess there at the moment. The Catalan Parliament for declaring independence and the Spanish government for their complete incompetence in the handling of the affair. They should have listened to genuine concerns and then this would never have got this far.

It's a sign - I tells ya

OK as I said I don’t know and am only wondering why Catalonians appears to be a common term. The context could be relevant depending upon if you are referring to a region (Catalonia) or the Ethnicity. Again, I’m not being argumentative as I don’t know, but Catalans is the Ethnicity terminology...

No but i refer to people from Egypt as Egyptians. What does that prove? Adding an ‘s’ is not a standard way. France - French. Sweden, Swedish. Holland - Dutch. Denmark - Danish. Norway - Norwegian. Do you want me to go on as there’s loads more :lol: ? As I said earlier, I don’t really...

After a little bit of research, it would appear that Catalan refers to the people (for example - Irish), yet Catalonia refers to the region like Northern Ireland/Republic Of Ireland. So, I guess in this context Catalonians is the correct term as we are referring to the people of the region.

Don’t know - the word I’ve heard regularly is Catalonians, but this may be wrong. I’m not going to get into a debate about it though (like with Trigaar/Buzzer on another thread about Saints and potential for relegation :lol: ). Life’s too bloody short :)

I don’t think it’s as clear cut as you do. If the local population are supportive of independence and now more anti-Spain, there is the potential for civil unrest. If the referendum had been held and allowed to proceed, it is nightly likely that the vote would have been a no. Look at the...

I also don't honestly think this will lead to independence. I agree that there will be violence and an agreement with Spain for more devolved powers and less payments to the central government. With all the talk of more and more integration from the EU, the opposite seems to be the order of...

Still brewing up here. Declared independence now. Can't see a peaceful resolution here - handled badly on all parties, but mainly Spain IMO.

What does it matter - 100, 200, 500 years? Totally irrelevant. Borders and countries are not 'fixed' - they change. It used to be Czechoslovakia but this then changed and split. Look at the Kurds now demanding their own state. The Palestinians. Borders and countries and not fixed concepts...

If you’re members of something (a state/country, or a club), then you can be expelled by the other members or you can choose to leave. It’s absolutely insane to propose that someone/area can’t leave. It’s a dumb a a golf club telling me I can’t leave as the other members don’t want me to go...

If you read my post #75, I have already touched on this issue. The problem for Catalan is that, if they leave Spain and become an independent state, they have to apply for EU membership. This will in all probability be blocked by Spain. It has already been made clear by the EU (during the...

What seems clear to me is that democracy is fine, so long as it’s what the elite/rulers want. This is one of the main reasons why I voted leave. The unelected beaurocrats like Juncker etc are parasitic scum IMO. The treatment of the Catalonians today and the lack of response from the EU elite...

Yes, but I believe all of the polls had only had about 40% in favour. I would assume that more people will now be more inclined to vote Yes if there was a free vote. Colossal f*ck up Madrid here.

Some bad footage in there - shows the police in a bad light. Christ, that’s Europe.

Wow, puts the police in a difficult position. Can’t be seen to attack other emergency services. This could get interesting.

Don't get me wrong. I understand the nationalists position. My view is a Brexit voter and when the exit poll pointed the remain, my reaction was to think that the only way out was to wait for the collapse of the Euro (which I think is unstable as there is no fiscal transfers). Also, Farage...

If you believe that was the true cause, then IMO, you're mistaken. She jumped at the chance and, even before things became clear she was angling for another vote. She was even ignoring polls which pointed to the fact that most people din't want another referendum and only back-tracked after the...

Stupid thing is, the polls were pointing towards more people wanting to stay within Spain rather than independence. Spain should have endorsed the vote and got an agreement that it was a 'Once In A Lifetime' vote (but we've heard that before from the SNP). This has been handled badly and I...

Not sounding good - violence happening and lots of injuries (337) according to BBC