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Hungary, Romania, Russia, Lithuania, Italy, Greece, Ukraine, Poland, Bulgaria, Kosovo, Montenegro, Latvia and dozens more. Define dishonesty? How are you comparing that to other nations? Do you mean corruption or broken pledges? How much research have you done into political pledges made by...

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And if the Tories get the predicted thumping tonight in the election results? “Well they tried to fix an election and failed!”. If they do better than expected: “it’s all because they fixed the election”. It’s a nonsense.

So you’re pro ID cards?

Going round in circles a bit now.

Really? I’ve always had to show ID at Seaford collection office, or at Coop/Tesco when collecting parcels from Amazon etc

Notice my careful wording in anticipation of this exact reply

Alternatively, preventing risk of election fraud is good for democracy.

I absolutely agree. I’m just not sure about people making anticipatory excuses if results don’t go their away. If the Tories get the expected trouncing, can they then come out and claim unfairness? It just doesn’t sit well with me.

That depends on whether the results go the way people want them to. Look at Trump - “we lost, so it must be foul play”.

Because they are less likely to travel abroad or drive, therefore not own a valid passport or drivers license?