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Good points. Personally, I wouldn't mind England under Southgate being a risk averse, defensive team ready to spring out on the counter ......if we were any good at it. But for someone so focused on defending, and a defender himself of course, he does seem rather hopeless at organising our...

Maguire winner?

Leave Shaw alone! The only player who has done anything positive today.

Tbf I though Shaw has looked ok. One glorious chance he created with a beautiful ball and a couple of other almost-decent balls. Creating more from the left than we usually do. Needs to be remembered that he had an op to remove some metal screws not long ago.

Wrong thread! Did you complain when Shaw scored in the 2nd min of the Euro final?

I was wondering more whether he would walk. I very much doubt it and perhaps it would leave too much of a shambles for someone else but with our current form, formation and odd choice of players...

If we lose badly to a (poor) Germany, is there any chance Southgate may go?