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  1. hans kraay fan club

    Barcelona: Van hits crowds on Ramblas tourist area

    Completely accept your position, and it is a complicated issue. If there s a risk that in a group of ten thousand desperate displaced people, of all ages, there are a number who wish us harm, do we condemn all of them to further suffering - even death - to protect ourselves? How far do you take...
  2. hans kraay fan club

    Barcelona: Van hits crowds on Ramblas tourist area

    I'm not - I've made quite clear I'll not moderate a thread I'm involved in. The site owner has made a reasonable request - it would be polite to heed it. Your opening post in this thread was far from 'an adult debate' as it is possible to get. Such language will inevitably see threads moved or...
  3. hans kraay fan club

    Barcelona: Van hits crowds on Ramblas tourist area

    Yes, I agree 100% that refusing to accept any muslim refugees is an understandable position. Everyone can understand why that is an obvious reaction. The risks of terrorism, etc ought to be balanced though against other considerations - a nation's legal, and moral obligations, for example.
  4. hans kraay fan club

    Barcelona: Van hits crowds on Ramblas tourist area

    How about we keep the discussion to the terrorist attacks in Spain, like Bozza has politely asked you to?
  5. hans kraay fan club

    Barcelona: Van hits crowds on Ramblas tourist area

    Not in the slightest. Seriously. Read the post in context. I was replying to a point about why Spain might have been specifically targeted. Nothing more.
  6. hans kraay fan club

    Barcelona: Van hits crowds on Ramblas tourist area

    For sure - just as the Manchester Arena shit was first generation British-Syrian and had traveled back and forth to Syria. My only point is that WHERE they attack is often (IMO) simply just where they know, and where they have the opportunity (rather than any grand masterplan).
  7. hans kraay fan club

    Barcelona: Van hits crowds on Ramblas tourist area

    That makes sense. Fine. Clears up any confusion in case we were thinking they were non-Islamic jihadis, I guess. :shrug:
  8. hans kraay fan club

    Barcelona: Van hits crowds on Ramblas tourist area

    A list of jihadi terrorists, all have 'one thing in common'? Thanks Sherlock.
  9. hans kraay fan club

    Barcelona: Van hits crowds on Ramblas tourist area

    I think the answer to the "Why would they attack Spain / Sweden / Manchester / Brussels / London?" questions are much more straightforward than some seem to suggest. All this 'why does ISIS decide this?" and "surely for propaganda they should avoid that?" stuff . Surely it just comes down to...
  10. hans kraay fan club

    Barcelona: Van hits crowds on Ramblas tourist area

    Morning all. I very rarely look at NSC in the evening (ie in my own time :jester: ) so was not aware until this morning that this thread had been moved (then moved back). I can see in the moderating part of the site who did move it, of course, but don't think it really matters. It was moved...
  11. hans kraay fan club

    Barcelona: Van hits crowds on Ramblas tourist area

    Well done for taking my post entirely out of context. The reason nobody else was stupid enough to read it like you did, is that I was very obviously responding to Simster explaining the unrest the other poster was referring to. And then made clear my view that THIS attack would no doubt be...
  12. hans kraay fan club

    Barcelona: Van hits crowds on Ramblas tourist area

    Don't be an absolute prick your whole life.
  13. hans kraay fan club

    Barcelona: Van hits crowds on Ramblas tourist area

    Impossible sadly. What are you going to do? Ban vehicles from towns?
  14. hans kraay fan club

    Barcelona: Van hits crowds on Ramblas tourist area

    There has been loads of anti-tourist friction recently in Barcelona. Caused by cost of living being driven up by tourist demand - especially accommodation. Every other local renting out flats as air bnb, so nothing available / affordable to local folks...
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