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You're too defensive. Nobody has claimed it isn't an achievement. We've just put that achievement in context, nothing more.

Err? It matters because that is the entire POINT of the last three pages of discussion! If our promotion-winning squad is 'worth' a great deal more than it cost to put together, that is the very over-achievement that we are rightly celebrating. We have done it on a fraction of the budget -...

Its the biggest miracle world football has seen, since Saint Eddie of Boscombe got Bournemouth up on a veritable shoestring, three seasons back.

Comparable to Sidwell or Norwood, I guess, what with the squads being much the same.

Its still complete bollocks either way. As per my post on the previous page, they could field a team purchased for over £51 million using only existing players (ie those retained from last season, before ADDING £55m more). Miracle of St James'.

Point of order, Mello: Shelvey was signed IN the Prem (last January) to keep them up. On £100k per week.

But to achieve our promotion, we've finished above 7 (hopefully 8) clubs who had BIGGER budgets than ours, so if people were to suggest that, they'd be a little bit simple. I'd expect we'd just smile at them, and pat them on the head.

I think I've now established why you don't get it. You seem to believe that 'spending a fortune' and 'making a profit' were mutually exclusive. They weren't. You did both. You had a SHITLOAD of cash (all properly earned, and fully entitled to spend it) to all but guarantee your promotion. And...

Because it's true. You may not wish to hear it, which I understand. But it doesn't change the facts. You don't HAVE to be here, on a rival's message board, the day after your glorious (not in any way related to your resources) promotion, you know?

That's quite amusing - that in your mind, Burton and Rotherham are to us, what we are to you (despite sitting above you in the league). I consider my head to be duly patted.

It doesn't 'cheapen' the achievement. It merely puts it into context. Not sure why this is even a discussion. The CONTEXT of your achievement is that you managed to do, what you should have done at a canter, given the resources at your disposal. The 'celebrations' in the stands at SJP last...

Its a new PL rule isn't it, that you have to offer some away capacity in lower tiers?

That's certainly true of last season :thumbsup:

I suppose. I mean if you discount all of your £55m summer spending, he was starting from a squad bought in the poundshop. Something like: .........................................Darlow (£3m) Haidara (£2m), Lascelles (£4m), Mbemba (£8.5m), Anita (£6.7m) Gouffran (£0.5m), Shelvey (£12m)...

The point the YOU are fundamentally missing, is that your '11 players at £5m' that you bat off as pennies, is MORE than our RECORD SIGNING (Duffy @ £3.7m) Ignore where your spending power came from (£30m of it for a player you all HATED anyway) - its irrelevant to this discussion - Newcastle...

FFS :jester: This argument comes up from Newcastle fans, constantly. They really don't get it - they simply refuse to accept that they (along with Villa, granted) had MASSIVELY superior resources to work with than every other team in the league. "But we didn't because we sold a BILLION pounds...