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But this is exactly my point.... The price we pay for allowing the government to access *everything* has the potential to be much, much higher than that number. (See previous posts for an idea of how many lives have been lost when we have allowed government unfettered control before)

In the scenario above then surely the requirement is for a law allowing the Government to force Google & Apple to add a "law enforcement code" to open every phone. Why would this have ANYTHING to do with Whatsapp or indeed any other service provider that may use encryption to protect their...

"All that is required for Evil to flourish is for Good men to do nothing" If we all make a fuss, it won't happen because nothing scares powerful people more than the thought of losing that power.

You might need to check up on the history of the Holocaust. The fact that it was able to happen was absolutely about governmental abuse of information... the national census of each occupied nation was used in the first instance to identify the Jewish population. Before it became clear what...

Tell that to the Jews in 1940's Europe. I'm sure that they felt that just being Jewish would be somehow equated with being subversive was a ridiculous suggestion. Or homosexuals... or gypsies... or academics... or American Communists... or people who wear glasses... or any other group that...

Two of the most naive comments possible in the debate. I'm sure that millions of people would rather some fact about themselves, that wasn't illegal at that time they expressed it, wish that the state didn't know about it, hadn't declared it to be retrospectively illegal and hadn't had them...

This is ridiculous and we are sleepwalking into a nightmare scenario. The old BS about "if you don't do anything illegal you have nothing to worry about" is the scariest part. It isn't what is illegal NOW, or what THIS government will do or even the NEXT government. But history shows time...