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  1. drew

    [Politics] Tony Blair doubts Labour can be 'taken back by moderates'

    Not sure you read the report!! If you knew there were no WMD then perhaps you could have confirmed this to the international community and provided the evidence of this. Blix reported to the UN on the 14th Feb 2003 and he didn't confirm that there were no WMD and he, unlike you, had been...
  2. drew

    [Politics] Tony Blair doubts Labour can be 'taken back by moderates'

    Really? You're making a supposition that suits your view point. Read the report. There was evidence of 1000 tonnes of a chemical agent which was unaccounted for! It may or may not have been destroyed by Iraq but they needed to provide evidence that it had been destroyed. Why was he...
  3. drew

    [Politics] Tony Blair doubts Labour can be 'taken back by moderates'

    You want to provide links that support your last statement? From this bbc link: - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-10770239 He stressed that Tony Blair never put any "pressure" on him over his search for weapons in Iraq and did not question that the prime minister and President Bush...
  4. drew

    [Politics] Tony Blair doubts Labour can be 'taken back by moderates'

    We didn't know there weren't any WMDs. There were inspections that had been hindered by Hussein and you could argue that had they continued it might have proven that there weren't WMD but you cannot say as fact that we knew that at the start of the campaign. With regard to numbers, you keep...
  5. drew

    [Politics] Tony Blair doubts Labour can be 'taken back by moderates'

    They probably did but to be fair, with the electoral system we have a lot of people vote tactically. In Mid Sussex a labour vote was always a waste so the next best thing to get rid of Soames seemed to be to vote Libdem although that seems to be changing as in 2005, labour only got 6k votes and...
  6. drew

    [Politics] Tony Blair doubts Labour can be 'taken back by moderates'

    Bastardised is one word, another is electable! I would however agree that there should be a split. Not sure the electorate are split along party lines as rigidly as they were 40 years ago.
  7. drew

    [Politics] Tony Blair doubts Labour can be 'taken back by moderates'

    I voted for Blair but wouldn't vote for someone like Foot or Corbyn. The Iraq was is what he will be remembered for but I'd stake my house on the fact that had the Tories been in power they would have also taken us into that war. Same with the 2008 recession.
  8. drew

    [Politics] Tony Blair doubts Labour can be 'taken back by moderates'

    Wouldn't necessarily argue against a flat rate tax provided it had the safeguards of a relevant tax allowance so as not to penalise the low paid. I assume the rate of income tax would also be the same as any rate of corporation tax. Do you have links for the hmrc figures as would be interested...
  9. drew

    [Politics] Tony Blair doubts Labour can be 'taken back by moderates'

    Apologies. I am refering to your second example, ie the more you earn the higher the 'rate' of tax you pay. So in this country we have a tax free allowance, a base rate then the another rate and finally a rate for those over £150k. If we had a better tax collection regime then maybe there...
  10. drew

    [Politics] Tony Blair doubts Labour can be 'taken back by moderates'

    Sorry, slip of the tongue, I meant state taking control of monopolies, ie nationalisation!!
  11. drew

    [Politics] Tony Blair doubts Labour can be 'taken back by moderates'

    I would suggest we have never had a Labour government that has moved towards out and out socialism. Yes they have bought in some previous socialist policies such as privatization of some monopolies but that is a far cry from taking over all production! State controlled production didn't...
  12. drew

    [Politics] Tony Blair doubts Labour can be 'taken back by moderates'

    They aren't and pretty much never have been, advocating all out socialism though. It's all done on the back of a capitalist economy. And if they want to be elected they will have to stay close to that path. You were crying out for new ideas and I was merely pointing out that that won't get...
  13. drew

    [Politics] Tony Blair doubts Labour can be 'taken back by moderates'

    I would argue that the current labour party are far from slightly left of centre. A large proportion of their MPs might be but the party itself isn't and heading further and further to the left. To get elected you have to appeal to the middle ground and you won't do that if those in that...
  14. drew

    [Politics] Tony Blair doubts Labour can be 'taken back by moderates'

    Are you saying that socialism or something even further to the left has the answers? If so, you can only implement them if you have power and in this country, to do that, you need to be elected, and, ergo, you need to be electable! I agree though that there has to be a better distribution of...
  15. drew

    [Politics] Tony Blair doubts Labour can be 'taken back by moderates'

    In my view there is so much garbage written by the left about their prospects at a general election. Corbyn will never win a GE. He is a puppet of the far left/momentum. People bang on about how big the labour party membership is but that is irrelevant in a GE. Whether you like Blair or...
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