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Fine, I give up. Clearly guilty as sin.

"What you seem to be calling for is a trial by media or public opinion" - I thought I was arguing against that, everyone seems to have decided without the neccessary evidence, I've been saying that's not a very good way to decide things. "No one has claimed that they are guilty beyond a...

Actually I would apply the same standard as you, beyond a reasonable doubt. Where we disagree is that you feel that the available evidence proves their guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. I actually think that standard hasn't been met by the available evidence, which at the moment is...

That was exactly my point. But it's also moot if it's not what Triggaaar was talking about. FYI it's after baggage reclaim apparently, so that people can only enter baggage reclaim from the aircraft, not from the arrivals lounge (presumably to stop people coming in and stealing luggage).

Can people stop accusing me of conspiracy theory. I haven't suggested a conspiracy anywhere in this thread. I've suggested that you accept as fact things which are proven. Things which seem pretty likely you treat as things which seem pretty likely. Conspiracy theorists accept things as fact...

I've done the same recently myself, you are correct.

I don't know what point you are arguing here. I have no problem with what that image shows, it shows what happened. They split up at the start of the corridors to go through seperately (as you have to) at the same time. My point was only that it doesn't mean they were trying to avoid being seen...

You are way off, my only point has been that definate things need proving. There may be evidence which we don't know about, I fully accept that. But if you don't know about it, how can you at the same time be definate about it? I'm looking forward to being definate about the fact these guys did...

You said "There's cctv evidence" and you even felt able to say why they did it. So far I've not seen any basis for saying that, I tried a google search but couldn't find anything to support it. I'm more than willing to accept that it happened if it's reported somewhere, but if it isn't would...

Ok, when you said, "There's cctv evidence of them going through customs in separate queues (to avoid looking like they're together) and they've lied and said they went through together, they're always together.". You were talking about this photo weren't you? That's them going through the...

The one thing you can say about something which is "almost certain", is that it is "not certain". That's not "doublespeak". Infact the term "almost certain" is actually a good example doublespeak.

To be fair an admission of guilt does qualify as good quality evidence in my book.

You are still falling victim to confirmation bias. Try to understand that I am not saying that they didn't do it, a circumstantial case in terms of where they were and when seems reasonably suspicious. But you have to be careful not to latch onto things in order to confirm what you already...

I think people are slightly misunderstanding my point. I don't begrudge anyone in thinking that it looks really likely that these two guys are Russian agents and are responsible for what happened. I tend to think the same. But I am also willing to distinguish between "looks really likely" and...

EDIT: Wait you are right, I am mistaking you for someone else, sorry. In response to what you did say, I'm not making any claims either, other than that evidence is required, and so far it hasn't been forthcoming.

I don't mean to sounds like a pedant, but I asked what "it is pretty safe to say they did it." was based on, and you replied that it was based on their presence in the area and the trace amounts in the hotel room. It certainly seemed like you were making (or at least defending) the claim that...

First, let me just be clear, I'm not saying that they didn't do it, I'm saying the evidence is not sufficient to prove that they did. Evidence does matter. They were in the area, yes, is that proof, no. I'd like to see proof as much as you, but proof is required. As for the traces of Novichok...

Well i'd encourage a little more optimism than that, you're right it does suck though. The best thing people can do is to make sure they judge things carefully for themselves and don't "outsource" your outlook to the media and politicians, because when it comes to being informed, they don't have...

For example, it was recently announced that: "The US, France, Germany and Canada have agreed with the UK's assessment that Russia's government "almost certainly" approved the Salisbury poisoning." https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-45439388 This is an Orwellian use of language. An honest English...

What "stuff that has happened" do you mean? This has been going on for a while, but I would argue that it's all worthy of close examination. You can go back to Crimea and the downing of the passenger airliner, and if you take those things at face value then I can see where you are coming from...