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    New Poll. Europe: In or Out

    The point still stands though, you agree with the views of an unelected US bureacrat that considers the UK should stay in the EU for trade reasons. My point is respose was that there are other views from the US (e.g. Trump) that relate to how we in the UK could manage our affairs, if you are...
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    New Poll. Europe: In or Out

    As I understand it then, you are arguing that security is not an issue in the Brexit debate? An unelected US bureaucrat can make a salient point about our membership of the EU based on trade, however a US president in waiting, cannot advocate a credible view concerning terrorism. The trouble...
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    New Poll. Europe: In or Out

    Well if you want to select and advocate the opinions from an unelected bureaucrat about Brexit, then don't discount the opinion from a potential president in waiting of an old and trusted ally........as you would say.
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    New Poll. Europe: In or Out

    Trump was talking about the controls the US would apply to defeat domestic terrorism following a home grown islamic attack. You think that has no relevence at all to this county or Europe? I'm surprised you think there is no coneection to be honest.................you probably still cant see it.
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    New Poll. Europe: In or Out

    Will most of you also feel that the views about immigration from the likely incumbent republican candidate for next President our old and powerful ally have some relevance in this debate too? Arguably he will be even more relevant, he has a democratic mandate...........
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    New Poll. Europe: In or Out

    Once the US allows anyone from North, Central and South America to move into its country to settle and work without a by-your-leave then they can preach to the UK about our membership of the EU. Till then they have nothing to add to the debate.
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    New Poll. Europe: In or Out

    I can accept there may be some strings, however there has to be proportionality because the UK is a massive market in its own right. Given the current economic malaise in the EU, and the likely difficulty it will have resolving it, a dynamic market offshore of the EU will be important for the...
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    New Poll. Europe: In or Out

    If it wasnt a free unrestricted trade deal with the EU like we have now, many of the EU countries that trade with us would suffer even worse. Ireland's economy, for example, would suffer by the introduction of additional paperwork to trade with an independent UK. Accordingly, at a political...
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    New Poll. Europe: In or Out

    Firstly, I agree with the premis that Brexit may be a trigger for a referendum, on that we are aligned, however from there we seem to diverge. Sturgeon is the leader of a nationalist party, so she will do anything to force more independence referenda. Independence from the UK is their aim, and...
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    New Poll. Europe: In or Out

    Highlighting Ireland is interesting, as I am working there a lot currently. The Irish position is unique to the EU in that nearly 50% of its trade is with the U.K. A further 40% is with the US. If there is a Brexit then Ireland will be a EU state in the Euro zone that trades substantively...
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    New Poll. Europe: In or Out

    Well, the people of Paris are no doubt sleeping safely in their beds by having all that protection provided by the EU against terrorism. That is not to ignore Ron Wainwright's comments this weekend that up to 5000 Islamic terrorists could be at large in the EU having gained citizenship with...
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    New Poll. Europe: In or Out

    Sure it's not simple, however the threat that car manufacturers will leave the UK because of Brexit is similarly a simplistic construct. Honda in Swindon had to lay off thousands of workers in the last few years because of falling demand in the EU, which is the only market the cars are produced...
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    New Poll. Europe: In or Out

    Given the fallout from the referendum in Scotland about the critical nature of North Sea oil to Scotland's independence I would argue confidently that if they voted last year they will know. Further those who work in the industry or are reliant on it will be feeling the consequences of the...
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    New Poll. Europe: In or Out

    You definitely should, there is a book 1812 that is really good plus on YouTube there is a English subtitled 3 part doc that the French and Russians did (I think) which is interesting. Taking an even wider view though is the post Napoleonic period's effect on the French psyche. It's quite...
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    New Poll. Europe: In or Out

    We shall, however I think this particular Scottish question and its threat to the UK does not hold water. I have no doubt that an SNP dominated parliament will demand a 2nd referendum, and even get one, this is after all their raison d'être. However the SNP and the outers failed to win last...
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    New Poll. Europe: In or Out

    So what? It is a FACT that Ford now employs more than it used to in Turkey because it built a huge plant there to build (amongst other models) the Transit and UK/EU workers jobs were lost as a consequence. This proves that being outside the EU does not mean car manufacturing jobs will be lost...
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    New Poll. Europe: In or Out

    Well I would suggest you do go further back. The Russian campaign is particularly impressive for the point I made earlier. There is no doubt that he held much of Europe in thrall. The reality of course was that despite promising change it was more of the same, especially once he hooked up...
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    New Poll. Europe: In or Out

    I think you are wrong. If he Scots do force a referendum the chances for a UK break up are even less likely than last year. Sturgeon has admitted they overstated oil revenues and that was when it was twice as high as it is now. With Iran back in the game, and overproduction elsewhere, then...
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    New Poll. Europe: In or Out

    The evidence is that its all about cost. Spain produces more French cars than France because Spanish costs are now significantly cheaper than France. This is due to the euro crisis and its implications for debt soaked Spain which cut pay by 40% and reduce workers rights to shit. The unions...
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    New Poll. Europe: In or Out

    Sure, I understand that, but that does not undermine the point I was making that prior to Waterloo Napoleon was master of Europe and a mostly compliant one at that. He was immensely popular outside France.....this only started to wane when he started to parachute his relatives onto thrones, as...
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