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  1. clapham_gull

    [Politics] 1st/2nd choice Referendum Poll

    A balanced view: http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/europpblog/2016/06/21/is-the-eu-really-run-by-unelected-bureaucrats/ Sent from my BLA-L09 using Tapatalk
  2. clapham_gull

    [Politics] 1st/2nd choice Referendum Poll

    That's leave MPs surely ? Their problem is they won't vote leave any means possible. Even Fox and Gove get that.... Sent from my BTV-DL09 using Tapatalk
  3. clapham_gull

    [Politics] 1st/2nd choice Referendum Poll

    With all due respect that doesn't make sense. Sent from my BTV-DL09 using Tapatalk
  4. clapham_gull

    [Politics] 1st/2nd choice Referendum Poll

    I only think some people are idiots. Sent from my BTV-DL09 using Tapatalk
  5. clapham_gull

    [Politics] 1st/2nd choice Referendum Poll

    Odd comment. The mess is about Parliament not agreeing what leaving looks like. How has anyone in the country not liking the result had any effect on anything ? It's a very small minority of activists and MPs pushing for another vote. 99.9999% of the "whole country" have had no other option...
  6. clapham_gull

    [Politics] 1st/2nd choice Referendum Poll

    It changes daily obviously, but I'm thinking tonight that Corbyn will bottle it and use his "we are a democratic party and consult the members" what they think. They will overwhelmingly want a second referendum. This will pick up enough Tory MPs who are tired of the whole thing. Last week I...
  7. clapham_gull

    [Politics] 1st/2nd choice Referendum Poll

    I think we all need to get away from these binary arguments because they are aren't helping anything. The UK is a very complex place regarding Europe. Although we are undoubtedly the most Eurosceptic country in there, your sentence suggests there was a long running majority desire to have a...
  8. clapham_gull

    [Politics] 1st/2nd choice Referendum Poll

    If right wing hard line leavers think that we are going to return to 1950s and you can say what you like now you are going to very very disappointed. The centre right are going to be hell bent on fixing divisions in society post this mess because they know that long term they can't rely on a...
  9. clapham_gull

    [Politics] 1st/2nd choice Referendum Poll

    Exactly. I'm very uncomfortable with it, since it's short history has been everything about those who lost simply wanting another go. As the situation has evolved (which those wanting another go DID not predict) it may be the only way out. What a fukk up. The only good thing that has come...
  10. clapham_gull

    [Politics] 1st/2nd choice Referendum Poll

    I'm quite a nuanced/reluctant remainer if you could be bothered to read my posts, but it is idiotic to: 1) Keep saying leave means leave without being about to define what leave means. 2) Draw analogies with general elections, they aren't once in a lifetime votes. 3) Cut and paste something...
  11. clapham_gull

    [Politics] 1st/2nd choice Referendum Poll

    Everyone knew what there were voting for - status quo or change. Those on the change side left that to the politicians who can't agree what the change should be. That effectively why I voted remain completely dispassionately. Leavers are paradoxical. Hate the status quo but hand the job of...
  12. clapham_gull

    [Politics] 1st/2nd choice Referendum Poll

    Yes, you can vote them out in the next election and weaken them in by-elections. A referendum to leave the EU and a general election are completely different things on many many levels. Only an idiot would attempt to draw an analogy. Sent from my BTV-DL09 using Tapatalk
  13. clapham_gull

    [Politics] 1st/2nd choice Referendum Poll

    Because we would go back in as new members throwing away all the concessions that were negotiated all the way back to Thatcher. Absolutely no way in hell the EU will hand back in a couple of years what has won in over 40. Sent from my BLA-L09 using Tapatalk
  14. clapham_gull

    [Politics] 1st/2nd choice Referendum Poll

    That is as well be with you but in such a situation the hard core brexiteers on the right would never back down. Their aim is completely different from yours - A low regulation, small state UK tax haven. The result would still have been close and that would have been enough of a mandate for...
  15. clapham_gull

    [Politics] 1st/2nd choice Referendum Poll

    I thinking of doing a masters in conflict resolution. Will be very handy post Breversal. Sent from my BLA-L09 using Tapatalk
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