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so are you for or against insults being thrown around, in place of sensible political discussion? or woke is bad, stupid is fine? as HWT put it, isnt the point of politics to "engage and try to help fix the things". seems like that only applies when theres some agreement. HWT also advocates...

im not suggesting Marxism or Fascism sovlve anything, im certain they wouldnt. its odd to ask what the center grouns is getting wrong, unless you're saying everyone's happy. my objection is insulting people for voting a certain way, rather than ask why they did, what politicans should be doing...

yes they are. they say people who vote a certain way are "stupid", ignoring any motivations for why they might vote for options against long term interests. or even wonder why they want those outcomes. just insult them. Le Pen shouldnt even be close right, yet is for the second time. nver mind...

if thats all thats present to them, and they dont like Macron, why is that wrong? cant tell people they shouldnt vote a certain way after the fact, the policitans are suppose to sell their alternative up front.

voters getting voting wrong again is it? :rolleyes:

think asked this last time on this subject, never got a responce - who are the ruling families?

dont you wish, just once in a while, the puppet masters would put in place someone who works their benefit, then they can bring all this charade to an end? :moo:

that would explain the hardening attitudes about migrants. the euro-sceptism is different, not sure where it comes from. the opposition to cancel culture and political correctness is just the French being, well, spiky and French.

from what i can tell all the runners are veering right, anti-immigration, euro-sceptic to varying degrees.