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  1. beorhthelm

    New Poll. Europe: In or Out

    legally they are supposed to be detaining and processing asylum seekers, they are not supposed to "move the problem on". they are currently doing the right thing in Calais, with an additional bilateral agreement with UK to pay for the policing. if those immigrants turned up at Dover we'd...
  2. beorhthelm

    New Poll. Europe: In or Out

    i dont know how much weight that has, whether it merely holds the other EU nations to recognise the agreement when the time comes to enshrine it in an actual treaty. im sure i read somewhere that it amounts to notarizing the agreement. here's what the Attorney General says in rejecting...
  3. beorhthelm

    New Poll. Europe: In or Out

    its not scaremongering, its a perfectly reasonable observation that the deal Cameroon has made has no legal foundation. it will need to put into treaties to be solidified, at the moment its basically an IOU that they will put these clauses in the next treaty. in the mean time the European...
  4. beorhthelm

    New Poll. Europe: In or Out

    and when the 28 voices done speak as one? when they are 27 shades of "er" or split on the course of action? its been commented that the reason Putin has taken the risks he has in Ukraine is precisely because of a perceived, and subsequently seen, inaction and inability to react from Europe...
  5. beorhthelm

    New Poll. Europe: In or Out

    we must remain in the EU, as long as we keep a veto on doing what the EU demands if we dont want to do it. an excellent position to take until that veto goes and we have to follow EU direct foreign and defense policy. as common among many support to remain in the EU, the arguments are made as...
  6. beorhthelm

    New Poll. Europe: In or Out

    one issue is that while in the EU you cannot hold an unilateral trade agreement with non-members. i.e. India or China. so yeah, its sort of mutually exclusive until the EU decides otherwise. they are working on a trade deal with US that we will have to accept too, worts and all.
  7. beorhthelm

    New Poll. Europe: In or Out

    rather embiggening the role of a diplomat working within a trade brief there. he'll do the bidding of the Departement of Trade, who'll be directed by the equivilent of a minister in Washington DC. lets be honest, the US have a political motive to have us in the EU project, trade wise doesnt...
  8. beorhthelm

    New Poll. Europe: In or Out

    no, any more than i could point to anything that says its not a possibility, which is the point. i'm highlighting that its probably quite likely.
  9. beorhthelm

    New Poll. Europe: In or Out

    im saying that's the case officially in the first instance, but that after a Leave result there would be a negotiation at keeping the UK and a second referendum in practice. it is not the immediate all changing vote the Stay camp would have us believe. they say themselves that all sorts of...
  10. beorhthelm

    New Poll. Europe: In or Out

    must? you'll need to talk to the good people of Ireland, Holland, Denmark, France about how referenda on euro and Lisbon treaty turned out.
  11. beorhthelm

    New Poll. Europe: In or Out

    thats precisely my point: it doesnt. it means the population believe we should leave, on the current terms and conditions, its not a descision that has immediate action. a Bill to leave would then have to go to parliament, debated and passed, and theres plenty of time for delay and...
  12. beorhthelm

    New Poll. Europe: In or Out

    here's a point for both sides to chew on: the outcome of the referendum is not binding. its basically a national opinion poll. and we have seen from previous form that the EU doesnt accept referendum outcomes that go against it, so isnt likely to change tack on UK leaving. so i expect that in...
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