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  1. Westdene Seagull

    Europe again. Unaccountable and undemocratic. This sums it up.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/financialcrisis/11221427/EU-budget-what-you-need-to-know.html "Nor is membership of the EEA without costs, she points out. Through it, Norway contributes €340 million a year to the EU"...
  2. Westdene Seagull

    Europe again. Unaccountable and undemocratic. This sums it up.

    Care to point to a source as the latest figure I can find is 340m Euros a year in 2013.
  3. Westdene Seagull

    Europe again. Unaccountable and undemocratic. This sums it up.

    No they're not - they are about 21st sandwiched between Lithuania and Luxembourg.
  4. Westdene Seagull

    Europe again. Unaccountable and undemocratic. This sums it up.

    Given the CBI wants greater integration with the EU ( such as the Euro that Buzzer posted about ) then it's in their interest to suggest we're all richer for being in the EU. Nobody can really prove or disprove their claim but it can hardly be counted as an unbiased or independent claim.
  5. Westdene Seagull

    Europe again. Unaccountable and undemocratic. This sums it up.

    I know you're subservience to the European project is unwavering but there really are instances that the EC can make regulations without the agreement of the parliament - it's called the CNS procedure. Regardless, I suggest you go and ask the Greek people if they feel there is any real...
  6. Westdene Seagull

    Europe again. Unaccountable and undemocratic. This sums it up.

    Using that argument there is a single passport called "Non-EU Passports" - after all there's a sign at the airport that says it.
  7. Westdene Seagull

    Europe again. Unaccountable and undemocratic. This sums it up.

    He knew that but it doesn't suit his aim of being European rather than British ( or even German ).
  8. Westdene Seagull

    Europe again. Unaccountable and undemocratic. This sums it up.

    I don't disagree that parts of our structure are not very democratic - the House of Lords being the main part. BUT, try and influence EU policy as voters ..... you can't. Try to influence UK policy as voters .... we can, and have - the Scots are a perfect example of how they have now changed the...
  9. Westdene Seagull

    Europe again. Unaccountable and undemocratic. This sums it up.

    I used the title you used. Regardless, see cunning fergus's posts for a better description of the non-democratic structure of the EU.
  10. Westdene Seagull

    Europe again. Unaccountable and undemocratic. This sums it up.

    Not exactly correct. The leader of the Tory Party or Labour Party is elected as leader of the party by it's members. The Prime Minister is elected as an MP by the electorate and by the fact he / she is the party leader they become PM if their party has the required majority ( leaving hung...
  11. Westdene Seagull

    Europe again. Unaccountable and undemocratic. This sums it up.

    But you can keep your identity by just getting say a German EU passport. My identity - i.e. I want to be British, hold a British ONLY passport and a British driving licence - has already been stripped from me without me having any say whatsoever. So if you and Plooks are so keen to stay European...
  12. Westdene Seagull

    Europe again. Unaccountable and undemocratic. This sums it up.

    He asked about leaving ... nothing to do with passports. Why would the UK continue to issue EU passports if we weren't a member ? EU passports were never agree by the British voters - they only got a say on the common market.
  13. Westdene Seagull

    Europe again. Unaccountable and undemocratic. This sums it up.

    Why on earth would you not be allowed to leave ?
  14. Westdene Seagull

    Europe again. Unaccountable and undemocratic. This sums it up.

    If I were Georgie Boy I'd tell Junker the Wunker to do one. So the EU don't like the idea of Greece changing the rules after the fact but it's alright for the EU to do it to us ?? W@nkers and corrupt hypocrites every single one of them to a man and woman. The time has come, we should be OUT...
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