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thanks Jack well I will go with the experts...I know the rockery and its wildlife well so if it is surviving then must be ok though I will probably stick to hand weeding while i am physically able.

I'll bow to your usage based view rather than my third party view on modern products. Maybe these weed killers have moved on from my previous (old) experience of using them.

Not sure I like the idea of using roundup as many of these weed killers have an impact on wildlife.