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and without actually visiting the site they came to see.

Yes, as far as I remember, that's what I heard reported (I didn't say I'd seen it). It's not the basis of my overall opinion either way. Yes, if that's not what happened, then I made a mistake believing it did.

No, I was talking about the reports that our government have claimed they went through separate passport control queues. I haven't seen the cctv of it. Yes, that's not the same thing. I don't know, I think it was reported that they went through passport control separately.

No, I'm not. I am. Of course that alone isn't enough, that would be ridiculous. If you think that's all the evidence is, you're mad. No they did not prove that they went through customs at the same time. That's your confirmation bias right there. They went through that section of the airport at...

Well that's a good start. That's all fair enough, I agree with you that it is good to hold on to some scepticism. As things are, I don't fully trust our government, I never will fully trust any government. Was the fact that they lied about Hillsborough really a shock to any of us? However, it...

No problem :thumbsup: Yes there does have to be evidence, but that evidence doesn't have to be presented to us, we're not the jury. What there has been though: Details of where they went, and the times, including photos by a petrol station. Claim by the Russians as to where they went and the...

I do mean to be a pedant - I did not say that at all, you are thinking of another poster.

You haven't seen the evidence. You realise that, right? I also haven't seen it, but I'm not making claims.

WTF? Almost certainly means that it is not certain, but it is close to certain. So it is honest in saying that it is not certain. To be dishonest (lack honesty, in your words) would be to claim it was certain. If you want such claims, look at what Putin has said. He's not said he doesn't think...

Same, but I'm paid to be antagonistic.

Is this now a full-time comedy account?

Maybe Putin had a bet with a mate on what BS they thought he could give, with a straight face. He may have lost the bet, having failed at the last, so the drinks are on him.

Being the well travelled chap that I am, I have been to said cathedral. The local patrons waxed lyrical about the Magna Carta, but no one even mentioned the tower. Apart from Wiki.

Aren't Russia in danger of facing further sanctions because of this? That's at least slightly bringing to account.

You forgot to mention how tall the spire is.

That country is just so ****ed up, it's still in the dark ages. Putin's style of just laughing when accused of something is bizarre and childlike. Anywhere else and that would be difficult to understand. He's probably being re-programmed as we speak.

Did you have to pay her extra?

It has taken months for the UK to piece together the evidence, but the impressive Putin been able to conclude that the men are innocent in just a few hours.