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That's the point, I am not the one making sweeping statements that the Rooney rule is not the way forward. The point is that we do not have enough black managers, so is it because not enough apply or is it that they are not given the chance. We know racism exists in football as well as sexism...

Do you know how black managers there are? I think the point is that there are plenty of black players in this country and no doubt coaches, but that does not translate into managers. in order to be a crap manager like Ince, you have to be given a chance and there are not enough being given that...