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  1. Simster

    catalonia independence vote......

    Yes. The main reason is that under the rule of General Franco, Catalan culture was obviously suppressed like every other nation within that nation. So in order to appease Catalonians, he moved an awful lot of industry there, with the obvious result that Catalonia became an awful lot wealthier...
  2. Simster

    catalonia independence vote......

    Totally agree with you Rodney Thomas. The whole Catalonia independence movement is inherently flawed for a number of reasons, but locking up the politicians leading it is every bit as undemocratic and can only serve to undermine stability. The correct solution was surely to negotiate a...
  3. Simster

    catalonia independence vote......

    But it was illegal, so the result is completely meaningless. There was no mechanism discussed openly for staying within Spain as a separate entity. There was no appetite from the separatists to instigate discussion with other Spanish "nations" to have the constitution amended to allow for...
  4. Simster

    catalonia independence vote......

    It was entirely avoidable but the problem with your solution is that the leader of the Catalan independence movement will then have got what he wanted, simply because he held an illegal election. My solution would be a tinkering with the Spanish constitution such that the rights of inner...
  5. Simster

    catalonia independence vote......

    The problem here is that Catalonia (like half of Spain) is recognised as a nation within a nation, yet that same constitution is based on the indissoluble unity of the Spanish nation. To me, they appear to be contradictory and a direct result of a country facing up to a fascist dictatorial...
  6. Simster

    catalonia independence vote......

    This is just drivel really and the EU is so irrelevant to this issue that EU discussion on this thread should be barely noticeable - and it wouldn't be if you little Englanders weren't on the lookout for every little stick to beat the EU with. EU hypocrisy is undoubtedly there over this issue...
  7. Simster

    catalonia independence vote......

    Yes, yes, I've already agreed with that. It's also "interesting" that you haven't said a word on the fact that Catalonia overwhelmingly wishes to stay in the EU. The point is that you little Englanders want to make this incident all about the EU because it suits your agenda. It's got nothing...
  8. Simster

    catalonia independence vote......

    I don't dispute any of that, but it was obvious they were going to remain silent on this issue. It's a situation that is the last thing a federalist EU wants. If you Brexit people are going to rant on and on about the EU being hypocrites, you may want to balance that with the fact that...
  9. Simster

    catalonia independence vote......

    The EU shouldn't be getting involved in this at all, it has nothing to do with them. But equally, Brexiteers on here should be looking at the Spanish state rather than the EU for answers, as the EU is not where the problem is as far as I can see. It seems totally wrong that a nation of nations...
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