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Fair enough but the professionals and politicians have barely even tried. In the vacuum created a debate on who has the most moral high ground has developed instead. This is a macro economic problem that cannot be solved by micro economic examples and attempts at moral shaming. By the way I also...

With the greatest respect you haven't proven anything. There is so much more to planning and building standards and regulations. You also haven't seen any evidence of the background to the developments you mention in term of how they fit into existing planning i.e. Are they meeting an existing...

:) hey mate I'm not part of a 'lot' and not defensive either. I thought your comment was part of the 'do we have room' part of the debate I was having with Thunderbolt. If not, then no worries. I am simply asking questions that tv personality politicians and campaigners should be asking if they...

So that's the space issue sorted...... well, apart from planning ,financial and suitability considerations. Now, where do these people work ? What's the school and healthcare provision ? What are the likely integration issues ? Lots of questions. I don't hear any politicians asking them.

I agree with each of those sentences. However it does not constitute a plan. You mentioned doctors and nurses. It is no more likely that children of immigrants will do these jobs than any other children. That is not what is happening. The doctors and nurses you see from abroad have been...

What's the 35k to 59k ? People emigrate for work therefore they want in the main to live in already over crowded areas. This means that the percentage of the country that is built up is not a relevant number and that there are important public service consequences. Yes this investment is the...

Yes they do. However addressing the concerns of the Daily Mail is easy as you can just heap abuse on their bigotry. Addressing the actual concerns is much rarer.

Population of U.K. 1900 compared to 2016 ? Public service provision 1900 compared to 2016 ? Size of economy 1900 compared to 2016 ? Numbers of similar background and language skills already admitted 1900 compared to 2016 ? This will directly affect integration chances. The UK has had fairly...

I'm probably not that far from your view. Where we probably differ is that I think it important not only that we show compassion to potential immigrants but equally that they should be documented and numbers restricted to what can be coped with. Unfortunately the suspicion is that there are...

Apologies, I stand corrected. I do understand the concerns though even though I think the Austrian legal system is the big story here rather than the nationality of the attacker.

You are rather misrepresenting the point. The posts that you were responding to were not I think specifically about children asylum Seekers. I agree with you that the Austria story is not really about immigration (I made that point earlier). You have moved the debate on to the subject of...

I can't believe what I'm reading. The Austrian legal system allows for the possibility of children consenting to being assaulted ? Quite appalling and probably says more about Austria than it does about the immigration debate.

That actually sounds suspiciously like common sense...could be a starting point for sorting out the whole mess. To make it work people would have to back the system and stop agitating for either zero or unlimited immigration.

:smile: Reading the Daily Mail makes you wonder why everyone isn't queuing up to work in service of the public doesn't it ........I find articles like that quite depressing reading. Anyway, for another thread I guess.

The black economy is a huge draw and it is a distortion of our economy. It seems to me that it is the relatively well off who are the biggest beneficiaries of this sector and it is our public services that lose out both through non collection of tax and lack of funds provided. The scale of this...

It started as an unofficial overspill to an official facility. It has sustained itself through neglect from the French authorities. Seems now and belatedly they are taking responsibility for proper processing by dispersement to reception centers with sufficient facilities for the proper...

Even if it were more complicated and expensive surely it is right that the commercial enterprise that is making money from the route bears all costs from their business model. Why should our community subsidize private business by incurring the social costs and consequences simply to prop up...

I'm sure you're right (I don't have twitter so don't see it). However, there is still a debate to be had by reasonable people on both sides and we can simply ignore the extremists, name callers and haters. I don't see any such abuse on this thread for instance.

I would hazard a guess that France has deliberately allowed these camps to exist in the belief that the 'open borders' lobby who make a lot of noise over here will force the U.K. into accepting these people. The clamour and the claiming of moral high ground is relentless. It would have been much...

You don't know the answer although you are making an assumption that these are all refugees from war. People fleeing for their lives would be very happy with the first safe country in which they arrive. This indeed is the premise of international law on the subject. To travel the entire length...