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Oops...and it was me that you were replying to:blush:...my point about the keeper is still valid - if a defender fouled an attacker through on goal it would be a red (as long as it wasn't a genuine attempt to play the ball in the penalty area as you point out) despite the keeper being in place...

If a goal scoring opportunity has been denied by handball then it is red wherever it happens, it is only yellow if it was a genuine attempt to play the ball legally, if it is handball or something like holding a player back then it is still a red even in the box. There is an argument that this...

Usually refs take the goalkeeper out of the calculation. If a player is through on goal with only the keeper to beat and a defender chops him down then most people would agree with a red card despite the keeper being in position to save.

Yes. And the ban for two yellows is one game but the ban for some reds is two or three games so Fletcher will be banned for 3 games for violent conduct; whether he had a yellow already would not have made no difference.

Where's Dr No?