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    New Poll. Europe: In or Out

    No, that's Gove actually. (In any sort of real-world situation no judge will overturn the legally arrived at decision of all EU heads of state. Mr Gove is, to coin a word, scaremongering.)
  2. L

    New Poll. Europe: In or Out

    This scandal is even more widespread than you claim. I mean, what about the 30-odd heads of state who've said they'd like the UK to remain in the EU? That leaves 160 who HAVEN'T. Proof indeed that the whole world wants us out. And if you want evidence of how unpopular Brighton & Hove Albion is...
  3. L

    New Poll. Europe: In or Out

    Your theory about me bites the dust. I am not obsessed with trade, I am not a purist Tory, and everything else matters. A couple of days ago a leading eurosceptic implied that we were more likely to get our heads cut off (etc) if we remained in the EU. This is a legitimate view which I...
  4. L

    New Poll. Europe: In or Out

    Well actually I do discount the ban-all-the-Muslims opinions of Mr Trump but that wasn't my point. My point was that they are less relevant to a debate on Britain's withdrawal from the EU than the views of a senior US official. I am not sure why anyone would claim otherwise.
  5. L

    New Poll. Europe: In or Out

    I'm sure you're right although Germany and France seem to struggle on.
  6. L

    New Poll. Europe: In or Out

    Do people feel that membership of the EU trading block and stronger commercial ties with the Commonwealth, China and the USA (anywhere, really) are mutually exclusive? Is it either/or or could we have both, like Germany, France, Italy, etc?
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    New Poll. Europe: In or Out

    Most of the media comment about Donald Trump's immigration views have centred on his proposal to build a wall between the USA and Mexico so I reasonably assumed that you were talking about that. In your latest message you explain that you were referring to matters-islamic, so I guess we are...
  8. L

    New Poll. Europe: In or Out

    Of course not. Trump was talking about a US domestic matter with, at most, regional implications. For America, the Brexit debate concerns the future global role of what has historically been its closest ally so it seems reasonable for its leaders to comment. I'm surprised you asked the...
  9. L

    New Poll. Europe: In or Out

    No one is suggesting that we should stay in just to appease the US. But for most of us it's reasonable to feel that the views of an old and powerful ally should have some relevance.
  10. L

    New Poll. Europe: In or Out

    I think the point is that for many the quality of the message is not always clear (one man's lost sovereignty is another man's shared sovereignty, etc etc) and in those circumstances the quality of the speaker is bound to have some relevance to the audience. Obviously this doesn't apply to...
  11. L

    New Poll. Europe: In or Out

    That polemic was written by far right fruitcake Ted Bromund, rootin' tootin' gun lobby supporter and Fellow of the only slightly interesting Margaret Thatcher Center for Freedom.
  12. L

    New Poll. Europe: In or Out

    Don't you, even in the middle of your black rages, find it strange that you, as a Eurosceptic, can stereotype those with a different view ("people like you" - you haven't got a clue what sort of person I am) and suggest that we find filthy dirty rotten scams (your words) acceptable. That would...
  13. L

    New Poll. Europe: In or Out

    Maybe the have, or maybe you know the wrong people!
  14. L

    New Poll. Europe: In or Out

    With respect, I don't think it is as simple as you suggest. Costs are important, which is why Nissan makes cars in India. Unfettered access to the single market is also important, which is why Nissan makes cars in England. There are other factors too, such as access to suitable labour, local...
  15. L

    New Poll. Europe: In or Out

    No, you're the person making claims of vote-rigging in major European countries so you provide the evidence. You know what the definition of vote-rigging is and you seem confident that it has happened so you should find it easy. Evidence though, not vague claims which seem to involve...
  16. L

    New Poll. Europe: In or Out

    Thanks for this, although of course Ford employs far more workers in the EU than in Turkey.
  17. L

    New Poll. Europe: In or Out

    Yes, a scam is a scam is a scam but that doesn't make it vote-rigging - in the same way that a crime is a crime is a crime but that doesn't make it shoplifting. You suggest that another poster doesn't care about vote-rigging but you have provided no evidence that vote-rigging existed - which was...
  18. L

    New Poll. Europe: In or Out

    On the assumption that you are committed Europhile with a talent for parody, congratulations.
  19. L

    New Poll. Europe: In or Out

    "Electoral fraud or vote rigging is illegal interference with the process of an election. Acts of fraud affect vote counts to bring about an election result, whether by increasing the vote share of the favoured candidate, depressing the vote share of the rival candidates, or both." In fairness...
  20. L

    New Poll. Europe: In or Out

    I am genuinely interested to know why you doubt this, and hope that you will be able to cheer me up. It seems to me that this would be a danger, particularly as we have already sold so many of our UK organisations off to foreign owners who have few traditional connections to the country. Take...
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