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Of course you do. Bedwetter. :lolol:

I suppose that 17th or 8th is much of a muchness, 6 points separated those 10 teams last season, and in that sense does it really matter if we finish 8th or 17th provided that we're in the mix. Being a distant 17th and battling to survive, no I don't want that. But Burnley and Watford came 16th...

No. Its all about context. Yes, 17th means staying up, but it would also mean a very disappointing rest of the season, a lot of home defeats against teams around us, players not being as good as we thought they were, a bad January transfer window -- and I don't want nor expect any of those...