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Well I dunno, I'm not going to answer for the captalist growth-mongers, I'm anti-captalist, remember (or sympathiser, perhaps). I'm also anti-immigration, as per my post above: Its a key distinction too that the europeans are largely here to work, they're not becoming citizens of the UK like...

It can never level out as long as our government pursues a policy of growth. Its actually an interesting coalition this, right-wing anti-europe peoples and left-wing anti-captalist types.

Yeah, I'm anti-immigration. But I'm pro-staying in Europe. Most of our immigration is from outside the EU so if we can't control that then being in or out of Europe is an irrelevance as far as immigration as concerned. And at least EU-immigration is beneficial to our economy and quality of life...

Yes, absolutely, thats the fundamental problem with a captialist society based on growth. You have to keep growing or it all falls down horribly. I recommend reading Collapse by Jared Diamond, a tale of societies that reached the limit of growth and then it all went rather wrong, Easter Island...

Its all demographics. Birth-rates are 1.75 amongst indigenous UK women and falling, it needs to be 2.1 just to replace the population, so anything below that leads to a shrinking population. This has been going on for some time so there is a massive population bulge of people 35-50 years old...

I feel your pain and I 100% agree with you, but that is the nature of having an economic system fuelled by the necessity for growth. I'm interested by the idea of a shrinking population and what it will mean for the environment - if we do manage to stop immigration, and you're still around in...

No one is suggesting they would all have to pack their bags and leave - forgive me but the primary reason that people want to leave the EU is too much immigration, therefore many will have to pack their bags and leave if you follow this desire through. Otherwise what was the point of voting to...

It sort of makes sense what you're saying, but it also kind of undermines your argument. When you start presenting individual cases of EU residents in the UK they all start becoming useful, and before you know it all 100,000+ are worthwhile and needed. The footballers might seem a silly case...

sorry, I assumed that was the point of the anti-immigration lot. Three young men coming over here from Europe, bringing their families with them, taking jobs that lots of British people are qualified for and want, using public services, sending their kids to local schools.... I mean, if they're...

That is probably just predisposed to hear the arguments that way. People on here are saying that staying in the EU is positive for national security, positive for the environment, positive for trade, and it would be bad for all these things if we left. You are clearly choosing to hear these...

can't someone just explain the prinicple?

The points system, I have no idea what that might entail :shrug:

explain?

Controlled immigration makes sense. But for me, I can't for the life of me think how this would make much more than a dent on EU immigration, if you were to meet the employment need, and attract talent at higher levels of companies, and attract business investment from Europe, and attract rich...

even when drunk, I shall remain an IN :) :drink:

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Look, I'm not saying the EU is perfect, of course not, but I stand by my argument that our current regulations would be weakened out of the EU. Our stadium was an interesting one for me, I'm glad that we went through a rigorous process and we showed that the impacts were negligible, and that...

I'm actually a very pragmatic man Mr Reich. I, like you, am very proud to be British and care very much for our nation. I dislike many things about the EU. But one of the best things about our country is the beautiful natural spaces, I'm lucky to live in such a stunning place as Cornwall, but I...

Hi, sorry, I was merely making a point that EU policies on environmental issues are stronger and more effective than those of individual countries, with climate change as just one example (and a minor one at that) and got hit hard by climate change deniers. I didn't realise so many were out...

On a fine-fine scale? Sure, there's more that impacts our climate than just CO2 concentration. Here is the graph of CO2 v temperature, it appears to be a logarithmic relationship. I believe if you include the impacts of other radiative forcings then there is a better fit on the overall trend, as...