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Surely we all know everything we all post on NSC is meaningless?! :D No the point is claiming to know where the weight of evidence is on any given topic. I think they call it overplaying your hand. By the way I expect a blizzard of facts and links is currently being assembled to finish me off !

I'm not claiming to know what the weight of evidence is on this subject, I haven't read all the reports on this topic nor has 5ways. There are so many caveats and methodologies in these reports it's impossible to come out with any definitive statement on net benefits or negatives of immigration. IMO

There is a lot of evidence suggesting very little overall fiscal impact one way or the other with numerous caveats and methodologies rendering most findings highly speculative. You can only say the weight of argument is with a net positive impact if you have read and understood all the reports...

Nah your just cherry picking your cut and paste snippets, 2 year data points , now government debt projections. I'll choose this one. Key points The evidence suggests that the fiscal impact of migration in the UK is small (less than +/-1% of GDP) and differs by migrant group (e.g. EEA...

So to clarify if you cherry pick a specific 2 year period it shows a possible benefit which you then say indicates EU migration is an overall net positive? Why not 2004 - 2015?

A spokesman for the Greek government representation in Brussels has confirmed to the BBC that Prime Minister Alexis Tsipras is looking for support from the UK government on migration issues at the summit but denied that he has threatened to veto the summit conclusions on the UK if he doesn’t get...

True, like the Migration Watch paper summarised (and corrected) the data you presented. Basically it's the same old story. Data and statistics can be provided to support any argument but there is no clear, cast iron, open and shut case showing mass immigration is overall having a net...

Enjoy :D Apparently mass immigration has been ongoing for quite some time. The report you are choosing to believe takes data from 2001 - 2011 does it not?

They did more than use different methodology they pointed out clear inaccuracies and omissions. Migration Watch have often been proved right on previous occasions frequently highlighting inconvenient facts and contradicting misleading reports. Not to say they can't be wrong or have their own...

Damn lies and statistics? The data may not be quite what it seems ... The fiscal effect of immigration on the UK exchequer has gained considerable prominence in recent months. The results of all research in this area depend on the method used and on the assumptions underlying them. This...

Cameron's been traipsing round Europe trying to get limited concessions on EU citizens claiming benefits after capitulating on real immigration restrictions while another EU country takes unilateral action to regain some control on who is allowed in. Migrant crisis: Austria asylum cap begins...

Indeed .. a point worth repeating! Can't wait for the 'deal of the century' presentation to begin, swiftly moving on to project fear.

Europe's masters decide Britain's fate 'Heads or tails'

Good post. I think quite a few people who seem passionately pro EU are fully signed up to Britain becoming a region within a Superstate but rarely admit this is the case.

Going from wanting to restrict EU workers to reduce immigration numbers to adjusting in work benefits over a short period with zero influence on immigration is hardly starting high working towards the middle. Not far off total capitulation in my book. Speaking of EU immigration ... EU migrant...

Reading numerous reports this morning it looks like it will become increasingly difficult for Cameron to spin this in a positive way. Apparently any aspect of this possible deal could be challenged in the courts despite it supposedly being legally binding because it is not enshrined in a treaty...

Unfortunately this shows how duplicitous this negotiation process really is and how a UK Prime Minister has to go cap in hand to the German Chancellor to ask if we can have a bit more control over our borders. Humiliating and embarrassing. If the out campaign had any coherent strategy they...

Didn't he? The prime minister has insisted that freedom of movement of workers would be "at the very heart of my renegotiation strategy for Europe". But Mrs Merkel is said by the magazine to have made clear she will withdraw her support for the UK's continued EU membership if he continues to...

The problem with the we need immigrants to fund our retirement argument seems to fall down when you consider the fact that (surprise surprise) immigrants get old too. You need ever larger numbers of immigrants to sustain ever increasing numbers of elderly people. It's all about balance, not...

Brexit doesn't change the dynamic of sanctions on the Russians or energy policy no matter how you choose to spin it. You do however identify real self inflicted weaknesses within the EU which the Russians could exploit. A theoretical Brexit will be settled in the next few months and the future...