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Don't be so stupid. Are you really that desperate? The vast majority of fans do not involve themselves in trouble, as I said, but a small minority do, as happened that night. I cannot believe you are this thick that you can look at the two posts and see a connection. On many threads, we all -...

Is this not typical of you? There might not have been so many problems inside the ground, and less trouble outside, but I can assure you that there were skirmishes outside, though not on the scale of the league match. But because YOU had not seen it, then it must not have happened. It did!!

Of course, I do see what you are saying, and that individuals caught up in the mayhem will be inconvenienced, and two of the examples you quote are reasonable points to make. Frog-marching fans past hostile potential combatants, is, I would have thought, quite a reasonable step to take, and...

Goodness me -is that really the best you can do? Intelligence is the defence against many strands of evil - how many hundreds of lives have been saved as a result. You said you had a relative who was a Police officer -just ask him/her, if you don't believe me!

And please don’t insult me by rubbish such as “don’t come back at me etc” if you know of my family connections with the Police, then you will also have read that on several occasions I have voiced agreement with other posters that the Police are no exception when it comes to an organisation that...

So simple isn't it? This all sounds fine in theory, and yes you are right -in theory. I assume that you have never had to police violent mobs, sometimes hundreds strong, when booze and hatred combine to bring out the worst. Sometimes the measures needed to restore order are a case of the lesser...

Sadly, it is the same old story over again. A minority of idiots, and all clubs have them, make life difficult for the majority through their antics. I imagine those smoke bombs must have been a real pain for most of the Palace fans affected, who, as we ,are decent folk.

Yes, that is true to an extent, Quinney -a small extent. The story of the weapons was a huge error, however it originated and I think it might be reasonable to question exactly what went wrong, if indeed it did. However, as you say, the blame lies entirely with the Palace mob, determined to be...

Absolutely. Included in that mob outside the ground will doubtless have been those with tickets. They wanted the "fun" of being in a large and as it turned out violent mob, knowing the likelihood of being "kettled" and then at the last minute when it suited them, wanted to break free and show...