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precisely.

We are talking about whether a club has a right to complain and ask questions. It does.

Again, see Rosa Parks. aka you never know till you try. I would have thought that listening to a recording of the three oaves bumbling and fluffing in the VAR hut would be more than instructive.

I don't see how you can criticize the first club to ask questions just because they are the first club to ask questions. Think Rosa Parks.

If your post was meant as gentle humour, I apologise.

Please put this into a context I can understand: "Surprised they haven't had a 2 minute silence and candle lit vigil on Merseyside yet." What do Liverpool supporters have a candle-lit vigil about if not Hillsborough? You sound like Das Reich, extolling the virtues of Robinson's jam. Golly...

Almost exactly the same as what I said. :thumbsup: And I agree with all the rest.

Yep. My point however....

So here is the first of the posts that draw on the idea that scousers go on and on about Hillsborough. Only just spotted it. Very funny. I suppose of someone kills one of your family that would also be hilarious. :wanker:

Sure! I accept the mindless (a bit harsh) visceral thrill element of football. As I said earlier (to quote David Beckham) I have two types of goal celebrations - those where I celebrate as soon as I see the ref has given it (same as before VAR) and those where I'm not sure and so I wait for the...

I suspect they may have been busy playing 'pipe-to-pipe bushmen' at the time.

I feel your pain, but I don't buy into it. And I certainly don't subscribe to referenda. And of course if you could guarantee no more mess (which to me means no more incorrect decisions, ever) then I would gladly sacrifice a goal. Not even a controversial one. For example, our fourth against...

No it is simply about different skill sets. One has the skill to be on the pitch and maker judgements on what they think they see in real time. The other has the skill set to look at replays and frozen moments quickly and with purpose (or would have if trained properly).

I agree with most of your post. But try selling that hand ball argument to the Welsh fans who watch Thierry Henri punch out their qualification lights a few years ago. VAR would have rightly ruled that goal out. And I like VAR being used for penalties. There was a shit handball rubric...

That comment is not the antithesis of mine. That comment is the antithesis of: "crap game, the referee was not tremendously accurate he failed to spot all the slight obstructions, a handball than no one appealed for and that deflected off the players foot and did not disallow two goals for...

I don't have the data but I am confident that VAR has overturned countless errors, some glaring, others less so. The discussion we have been having on this thread started about the recent egregious VAR errors. In my view they are inexcusable and it baffles me how they have happened. I can only...

But.....I love my football. I am in favour of VAR. I don't need instant gratification. I am relaxed about errors. What I don't like is systematic avoidable system-dependent travesties. I'm not sure this is an accurate description of VAR (any more than the big club bias and the 'fact' that the...

Like the good old days? I can accept that if you consider immediacy as the most important part of your football experience then VAR needs to go, even if it worked perfectly. However to imply the decisions were better when Referees had no safety net is incorrect. Watch a bit of Championship...