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Does that mean that they are all lying though? That there are never any miscarriages of justice... ever, and that innocent people have never been (wrongly) punished through the courts? (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_miscarriage_of_justice_cases#United_Kingdom part 1.17)

The court order is for longer than that isn't it, therefore the club cant reduce it to one year Hopefully if this is a unfair ban, they will be able to overturn this with the help of the FSF and also hopefully it wont take 4 years like it did for the Coventry fan to get theirs overturned

And this will be asked again - What exactly have they been convicted of? (Clue: - They haven't been convicted of any crimes (football related or not) but they have been banned by the courts using a FBO from attending games

details were in the link posted earlier in the thread and also by Thunder Bolt in the post just above yours: The Coventry fans crime? - to ask for the shoulder number of a copper who wasn't wearing them (which are normally worn so that they can be identified should anyone wish to complain...

So you'd have happily accepted the police version of events at Hillsborough where 96 fans died, and be quick to blame the fans ? Also try reading that link about the Coventry fan, it might change your mind about him

Or reply to this which was also posted earlier in response to your point: The police had 'evidence' against this Coventry fan, he was also issued with a FBO so he must have been guilty because they are using just part of what happened and not the whole story which could lead to a completely...

Something you said earlier but didn't reply to me Care to comment this time?

Really, can you point out a source for this claim? To me it's a trophy the claimed (along with a lot of other flags, etc) to show they won their battle and to gain honour from their exploits - ie, we went, we won, we are the best. (especially as any England fan was targeted simply as it was...

The evidence against the Coventry fan seems fairly strong too, but he was innocent. Hard to judge fairly with incomplete information. You see it in football a lot, player A kicks out at player B who retaliates, the officials only see player B's actions and send him off and player A gets away...

How do you know that the Russian fans weren't looking for English fans to fight before the Main square incident or did the Russian fans happen to come across this group and set on them before the main square confrontation? (a warm up so to speak?) Or are you implying that these Brighton fans...

XEYhdprpeHE Here is the Coventry fans removal from the ground (having done nothing wrong at all) and anyone viewing that could interpret him as a troublemaker (but he is innocent) This evidence was probably the thing used to judge his guilt and give him a FBO - do you think it was justified...

Why was the Coventry fan even taken into custody? Did he get a FBO because he was assaulted in custody or because of police allegations (or whoever was the source) that he was a troublemaker at the game and worthy of a ban? - the Magistrates imposed a ban yet where was the evidence of any...

http://www.fsf.org.uk/blog/view/coventry-fan-assaulted-wins-WMP-settlement As mentioned earlier in this thread, the details of the innocent Coventry fan banned for 4 years, by your logic the ban was justified as they must have seen the evidence to give the ban in the first place

Joined these groups before or after the trouble in France? Are those who watched videos linked on here showing the violence in France and the videos of Russian thugs fighting each other in some woods hooligans because they have watched and therefore have an interest in that sort of thing and...

How long was the poor individual in hospital receiving treatment for getting a little bit wet ? are they over the trauma or are they still receiving therapy? have they returned to work yet or are they still recuperating ? The person in question didn't punch them or throw anything that could do...

And yet, sadly, we seem to still have the same attitude by the authorities as we did back in those dark days towards football fans, that they are all out to cause trouble and must be controlled / banned without having been convicted of any offence because are viewed as someone who is determined...

Craig Charles was cleared of rape, yet was detained in custody before the court case. These banning orders appear to be a similar style of justice, what offences have they committed and what convictions have they got for committing these offences? - as far as i can see from the reports, they...

People get charged with rape and go to court only to be cleared later when the accuser admits they invented the whole thing, what was the evidence there? apart from a baseless (as it turned out) accusation?

Contributed to.... ie, if they weren't there at the time then they wouldn't have been hit, punched, have stuff thrown at them, etc (even if they don't retaliate) so by merely being present during the trouble, they have contributed to the incident even if they were an innocent victim in the wrong...