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  1. Guinness Boy

    Europe again. Unaccountable and undemocratic. This sums it up.

    That's 68 million Euros per head of population net. Which your table doesn't show.
  2. Guinness Boy

    Europe again. Unaccountable and undemocratic. This sums it up.

    As suspected you've quoted the gross figure. Population of Norway is 5 million people. So this makes their net contribution per head what? And that sits them where?
  3. Guinness Boy

    Europe again. Unaccountable and undemocratic. This sums it up.

    It's as supported as yours....
  4. Guinness Boy

    Europe again. Unaccountable and undemocratic. This sums it up.

    No, under Erna Solberg they're the 10th highest contributor to the EU Budget.
  5. Guinness Boy

    Europe again. Unaccountable and undemocratic. This sums it up.

    Have you set up a direct debit or do you pay in cash?
  6. Guinness Boy

    Europe again. Unaccountable and undemocratic. This sums it up.

    By skim read I assume you mean CTRL and F for key phrases as it's rather weighty. Nevertheless I would share the same concern about how the figures stack up. Inferring is not good enough. However, as you well know, one measure of GDP that is perfectly acceptable is what everyone earned. Or...
  7. Guinness Boy

    Europe again. Unaccountable and undemocratic. This sums it up.

    Right, excuse fat fingers on earlier post. What they mean is this: "3. The benefits of EU membership to British business have significantly outweighed the costs Like any international arrangement involving cooperation, UK membership of the EU has always had advantages and disadvantages. But for...
  8. Guinness Boy

    Europe again. Unaccountable and undemocratic. This sums it up.

    EDIT wrong link, back shortly.
  9. Guinness Boy

    Europe again. Unaccountable and undemocratic. This sums it up.

    But neither can anyone's. EVERYONE has an agenda when it comes to Europe including every major contributor to this thread, myself included.
  10. Guinness Boy

    Europe again. Unaccountable and undemocratic. This sums it up.

    You've missed the point. I'll put the emphasis that you should have read in to my post: IF you are trusting business leaders THEN I'd trust the whole CBI RATHER than one bloke. Are you saying they're wrong that every family is £3000 better off thanks to EU membership?
  11. Guinness Boy

    Europe again. Unaccountable and undemocratic. This sums it up.

    If you're trusting business leaders then I'd trust the whole CBI rather than one bloke. I once went on a software testing course where I was told this story. I don't know if true but it's true I was told it. A software company spent a long time creating a new software system for JCB and it...
  12. Guinness Boy

    Europe again. Unaccountable and undemocratic. This sums it up.

    Imagine if there was a handy guide you could google
  13. Guinness Boy

    Europe again. Unaccountable and undemocratic. This sums it up.

    55 million is gross. Buzzer has already acknowledged it is £33 million net because of return of subsidy. The CBI has calculated that every family is £3000 a year better off due to EU membership (http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/94b18486-4318-11e3-8350-00144feabdc0.html#axzz3fwpw8E3T) and unless you're...
  14. Guinness Boy

    Europe again. Unaccountable and undemocratic. This sums it up.

    Don't forget Italy flip flopped, Franco was officially neutral and pragmatic and at times aided both sides, and Hungary negotiated with the allies and was invaded in 1944. The pont remains that the next 70 years have not been entirely irrelevant to Europe's current make up and actually, through...
  15. Guinness Boy

    Europe again. Unaccountable and undemocratic. This sums it up.

    As continually demonstrated by Herr Tubthumper they have roughly the same levels of power. However commissioners are nominated by their member countries whereas the Lords is made up of a combination of deliberately created Peers and people who just happen to have been born with a title. The...
  16. Guinness Boy

    Europe again. Unaccountable and undemocratic. This sums it up.

    That's not an either or choice and you didn't give me a yes or no answer. I would personally abolish the House of Lords for an elected upper house. I haven't decided how I will vote in the EU Referendum because it is likely to be in 2017 and I'd rather do it based upon what the social, economic...
  17. Guinness Boy

    Europe again. Unaccountable and undemocratic. This sums it up.

    You're just obsessed with the Nazis aren't you? Are you for The House of Lords? Simple yes or no.
  18. Guinness Boy

    Europe again. Unaccountable and undemocratic. This sums it up.

    Eleven government defeats in the last session by the unelected House of Lords. I'll leave you to tab through the remaining years. http://www.ucl.ac.uk/constitution-unit/research/parliament/house-of-lords/lords-defeats
  19. Guinness Boy

    Europe again. Unaccountable and undemocratic. This sums it up.

    I really wouldn't expect you (or anyone else on NSC) to come up with something accurate in that short space of time on a football forum but my point wasn't really that a referendum would cost more than our EU Membership. It was that no one can quantify what will happen to GDP accurately in the...
  20. Guinness Boy

    Europe again. Unaccountable and undemocratic. This sums it up.

    And that addresses part of my question but not all. Firstly you're not comparing apples and apples. AV was never really going to be taken seriously (or even understood) by the British Public and was as low key a referendum as it was possible to have. I would expect that six years later and...
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