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Holy crap. I missed that post from you. Now that truly is a closed shop and, as you say, a cartel.

Yes, I think that's right. However, I think the (partly) justified angst is that there will now be a load of 1901 JCL-awayers who will both continue to qualify and, critically, possibly be more likely to go to the big away games. Given that the max allocation at away games is 3k (unless the...

They did. STH at Withdean started at the AMEX with an extra 250 LP. By now, those extra points are worth 4 LP. But over the course of the last 6 seasons they've had more points than new STH.

Yep, good analysis. I'd quibble a little with the extent of your last point. When at home, I'm relatively quiet due to implied peer pressure of those around me. Similarly, when away, the people around me sing, so I do too... Though, I do agree that I'm less of a "natural" singer than many...

Yes. My starting points this season was calculated at: ((last season's ending points - 1100)/2) + 1100. ie exactly the same way as a standard STH (except, replace both 1100s with 1000)

Two points: they are only as loyal if they renew for each year; a 1901er has no exit right. If they do renew, then, with hindsight, they will have been as loyal. With hindsight. A five year commitment is an upfront act of loyalty. Secondly, ST holders had the right to buy a PSL...very few...

No. Standard ST holders could purchase PSLs. Very few did. I'd be totally happy if the club sold more PSLs with a 5 year commitment, and a commitment to home cup games and gave those holders the same LP and 1901ers. In that scenario, the only difference between a 1901er and a home cup...

No need to apologise, Bozza's maths is entirely correct, but it ignores the fact that a standard ST holder gets 20 LP for every home cup game, 1901ers do not (it's already baked in to the starting LP at a fixed level of 50). To make a true comparison between a standard ST and a 1901er, I assert...

Such a scheme previously existed. It was called a Private Seat Licence. I can't remember how long the commitment was, but I think it was either five years or "lifetime" (actually 50 years) - exactly the same term lengths that exist for 1901ers. To be clear, the 1901 contract is split in to...

Heavily? Depends on your definition, I guess. 50 of the 100 point differential is because home cup games are included (the club already valued the inclusion of home cup games at 50 when they introduced the "Gold" ST). Ever since 1901 was introduced, the club has valued some combination of a...

Yes. 1901ers originally got 1030. The club then introduced a "gold" ST, which was for home league and cup games, and gave those holders 1050. Given 1901 tix include home cup games as well, the club then changed the 1901 starting LP level to 1100. I don't know why they didn't maintain the...

I've edited my post to reflect yours... ...I don't know...I suspect your answer is correct for those held corporately...

Nope. EDIT: the answer above is predicated on the 1901 ticket being held in a personal capacity. Given HT's post below, I'm not sure about those held by a company...

My two 1901 neighbours have said that they will be going to ~10 away games next season, having both only been to two this season (Brentford and Fulham). I too wonder whether they will, when push comes to shove.

I have recently had similar conversations, and agree that the starting points are too high; not 100 too high for reasons I'll get to in a sec, but too high. Originally, 1901ers had a 30 point premium over standard ST, for no apparent reason other than some combination of a greater financial...