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  1. Goldstone1976

    Sammy Lee - joining Southampton FC (NOT assistant manager at the Albion)

    He got some stick from me, but people around me looked blankly at me so I eventually gave up :shrug:
  2. Goldstone1976

    Sammy Lee - joining Southampton FC (NOT assistant manager at the Albion)

    Yes, thanks for clarifying your position. One correction: a verbal contract IS, under English law, the same as a written one. It's not just a case of "should mean the same", it DOES mean the same. The problem, as I highlighted earlier in the thread, is proving it. I note that you've declined...
  3. Goldstone1976

    Sammy Lee - joining Southampton FC (NOT assistant manager at the Albion)

    Haha. As I said, it's unlikely that you're Sammy. It's likely however that you are connected to him. Are you? If not, in broad terms, what is your source? That's the third time of asking, btw. It was good to get a (very slight in terms of time) heads-up of what proved to be accurate...
  4. Goldstone1976

    Sammy Lee - joining Southampton FC (NOT assistant manager at the Albion)

    If I had not accepted the first job offer I would certainly feel able to accept a later offer from someone else, and indeed have done so twice in my career. If I had accepted the first offer, I would not accept a second offer. In fact, once I had accepted the first offer, I would withdraw...
  5. Goldstone1976

    Sammy Lee - joining Southampton FC (NOT assistant manager at the Albion)

    Many people, including, it seems, you, misunderstand the term "contract". Under English Law, you do not need a piece of paper headed "Contract" in order for an enforceable contract to exist. What you need is an offer, an acceptance and consideration, which can be verbal. So far, all we have...
  6. Goldstone1976

    Sammy Lee - joining Southampton FC (NOT assistant manager at the Albion)

    Well, even Sammy admits that there was an agreement in the club statement. Personally, I find it difficult to believe that the club would have released a statement saying that he had agreed to join us, just based on a verbal acceptance, but concede that it's just possible. Either way, he looks...
  7. Goldstone1976

    Sammy Lee - joining Southampton FC (NOT assistant manager at the Albion)

    There's a lot of entirely justified vitriol targeted at Lee on here. However, let's not forget that Southampton have behaved less than honourably too. From the club statement: "....having been offered a job...after it was announced that he had agreed to join Albion as assistant manager..."...
  8. Goldstone1976

    Sammy Lee - joining Southampton FC (NOT assistant manager at the Albion)

    Given the circumstances, that's about as good a statement they could have put out. It's interesting that there's a quote from Sammy acknowledging that he's to blame, "I am very sorry for the inconvenience and any embarrassment my change of mind, after the announcement was made, has caused."...
  9. Goldstone1976

    Sammy Lee - joining Southampton FC (NOT assistant manager at the Albion)

    Contractually, it would make it very interesting. Pragmatically, I can't see us going after him legally though - it would just look spiteful. Also, what real damages would we be able to claim? A club statement is a definite imo, if the rumour is true. The interesting thing is how pointed...
  10. Goldstone1976

    Sammy Lee - joining Southampton FC (NOT assistant manager at the Albion)

    That's a very specific "understanding"! Is your sauce at BHA, Saints or linked to Sammy? EDIT: much more likely to be Saints or Sammy on reflection - how would BHA know where the approach came from?
  11. Goldstone1976

    Sammy Lee - joining Southampton FC (NOT assistant manager at the Albion)

    Or him and Saints, Mark, depending on whether or not Sammy accepted the job with us as the club say he did...
  12. Goldstone1976

    Sammy Lee - joining Southampton FC (NOT assistant manager at the Albion)

    I hadn't noticed that until you pointed it out. :lol: You do know that you can edit your posts for a few (20??) minutes after you've made them...?
  13. Goldstone1976

    Sammy Lee - joining Southampton FC (NOT assistant manager at the Albion)

    That may be so - but our story said he had "accepted" the job. I simply cannot believe that we'd have gone to print with that, unless it was true.
  14. Goldstone1976

    Sammy Lee - joining Southampton FC (NOT assistant manager at the Albion)

    By whom? If the rumour's true, my money's on Sammy having done the dirty big time on us. You disagree?
  15. Goldstone1976

    Sammy Lee - joining Southampton FC (NOT assistant manager at the Albion)

    Well, that depends on the circumstances, doesn't it? Scenario 1: Sammy is offered the job and says "yeah, maybe. Let's see, shall we?". Yep, we look tinpot. Scenario 2: Sammy is offered the job and accepts in writing. Nope, we don't look tinpot - Sammy and (say) Saints do. All we know...
  16. Goldstone1976

    Sammy Lee - joining Southampton FC (NOT assistant manager at the Albion)

    The first part of your reply is unfortunately true. The second is, I think, less so. Most employees in the real world are not on fixed term contracts with no early release clause; instead, they are on permanent contracts with a notice clause. There's nothing underhand about handing in your...
  17. Goldstone1976

    Sammy Lee - joining Southampton FC (NOT assistant manager at the Albion)

    I didn't pass any comment on his appointment when it was announced because I was torn. On the one hand, he has a very impressive track record in parts and is definitely a "name". On the other hand, other parts of his track record are less good and I was aware of some of the press reporting...
  18. Goldstone1976

    Sammy Lee - joining Southampton FC (NOT assistant manager at the Albion)

    Hmmm. I repeat: the club statement says: "...delighted that Sammy and Antti have accepted our offer...." (my emphasis). That's more than an indication that he was happy. PB and TB have demonstrated in the past that they do things by the book - I can't believe that that approach would...
  19. Goldstone1976

    Sammy Lee - joining Southampton FC (NOT assistant manager at the Albion)

    We certainly did announce it: http://www.seagulls.co.uk/news/article/hyypia-appoints-backroom-team-1695889.aspx Sami is quoted "I am delighted Sammy and Antti have accepted our offer...." They must have been pretty sure to have announced it like that! Of course, an "acceptance" might have...
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