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I appreciate your anger, but on that basis neither should England, Turkey etc. The French got it wrong. But Stade has held many an excellent event and will in the future hopefully.

So the truth is beginning to emerge. There's great merit in holding your gob and waiting for it to arrive.

No, what they are saying is that this feeds into a deliberate narrative of blame shifting. Which I agree with. No-one is saying all the Liverpool fans were angels, but many independent observers are saying that all the blame is being unfairly placed on them. A bit like some on this thread.

What bothers me is how folk instantly default to a convenient indoctrination when incidents like this happen. It's the old referee question. If it's your team he was bad, the other he was correct. I don't know what happened on Saturday, except that a lot of Liverpool fans with tickets ended up...

Not according to the Merseyside Police at the game. As I said, best wait for the facts.

Sky video showing Liverpool fans outside the gates waiting with tickets and not allowed in. Fans inside telling of terrifying experience with singular queuing system, crushes and poor policing. Looks like some fans did get in without tickets, but not the main issue. Perhaps wait for the proper...

Wrong. There is a wall around the Paris stadium that shields part of the concourse that leads to the gates so... 1) They are not climbing into the stadium 2) They may well have tickets 3) Journalists reporting terrible organisation 4) No-one really knows what the whole picture is.

I've verified that from video footage in Twitter. So no-one really knows what is properly going on.