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  1. Creaky

    Ukip offers legal protection to Christians who oppose same-sex marriage

    So if I understand you correctly you are saying that nobody has a right to discriminate but penalising them if they do discriminate is an infringement of their right to behave how they wish. If that's not turning logic on its head I don't know what is!
  2. Creaky

    Ukip offers legal protection to Christians who oppose same-sex marriage

    Not being discriminated against based on a human trait over which you have no control is a basic human right, which you admitted yourself in you post at #62 If you really can't think of circumstances where someone's rights can be infringed or removed totally by someone not doing something then...
  3. Creaky

    Ukip offers legal protection to Christians who oppose same-sex marriage

    Of course it is how we roll. For example you have the right to walk on public land - specifically though you are prohibited from doing so on the motorway. As you pointed out in a previous post, rights not to be discriminated against are not given by laws but are inherent in humanity. The...
  4. Creaky

    Ukip offers legal protection to Christians who oppose same-sex marriage

    A person has the right to make or not make a cake - they do NOT have the right, either under the law or in humanity to refuse to do so because someone is gay. Where do you get the idea that people have a moral right to discriminate against people based on their sexual orientation, colour, race...
  5. Creaky

    Ukip offers legal protection to Christians who oppose same-sex marriage

    I never said that anyone has the right to any goods or services provided by other people BUT they do have the right to be treated the same as anyone else without being discriminated against because of their sexual orientation. Likewise suppliers of goods or services have a duty to treat all...
  6. Creaky

    Ukip offers legal protection to Christians who oppose same-sex marriage

    You are mixing up 'rights' and 'duties'. Everyone has a duty under the law not to discriminate against someone on the grounds of their sexual orientation. Everyone has the right under the law to be treated withouted prejudice based on their sexual orientation. No matter how you present it...
  7. Creaky

    Ukip offers legal protection to Christians who oppose same-sex marriage

    What's wrong with it is the very dangerous precedent it would set. Argue for the repeal of laws on sexual discrimination by all means but to excuse certain laws for certain groups is not right. It could be claimed that the law on wearing motorcycle helmets, (or not in the case of Sikhs), set...
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