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In a way no, but it does mean that either position ensures we have survived our first season in the Premier League.

How can anyone make claims like that, with two thirds of the season left to play? There is still time for anything to happen.

They are really struggling at the moment most certaiinly, but there is still two thirds of the season to run, and a transfer window in January too, which could well save some of the teams threatened with demotion. An awful lio can change between now and next May.

Absolutely., 16th or even 17th would suit me just fine. It seems to me that so many people are getting carried away with out current placing of 9th, with some idiots even talking about us qualifying for Europe. Many of our recent games have been against some of the 'lesser lights' of the...